OT; Cwedit Cwunch?

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Takes a very pedantic person to not understand what was meant. One who also doesn't understand what was meant by a gun shop. Or perhaps you think corner shops sell corners?

[ARWadworth]

The Cambridge dictionary definiton says:-

unnecessary (ad)- not needed or not wanted, or more than is needed or wasted

So

"Not needed" is decided by the person who chooses to drive. They choose and have a right to do so.

"Not wanted" is not decided by the person who drives to somewhere and then is refused entry when they arrive.

Adam

[The Medway Handyman]

What a patronising post...

[Derek Geldard]

Here we go again ...

Mining is an extractive industry (when the coal's gone it's gone) and had been in trouble with mines closing since before the start of the

20th century. Maybe it's just as well that the railways had stopped burning coal for their motive power and the iron and steel industry had stopped using coal and the textile industry had folded with it's big consumption of coal to feed the steam engines in the mills.

Calligan closed about the same number of mines in the four years before Thatcher got in than she did during the four years after.

Thatcher supported the embargo on burning gas for power generation for nearly 10 years but once the electrical supply industry had been privatised the government couldn't tell the generating companies which fuel they could and couldn't burn.

Gas was cheaper and (far) less polluting than British mined coal (*) and the combined cycle gas turbine stations were far wore efficient. The embargo on gas was putting up the price of energy and making us uneconomic compared with competitors in Europe who had been burning gas since it was first discovered under the North Sea.

(*) The coal we used to mine in the Yorks/Derby/Notts coalfield was of too low quality to be burnt in the big new generating stations in the nearby "Megawatt Valley".

Derek

[Jerry]

Yes, here we go again, more fantasist bollocks from the defenders of Thatcherism.

[dennis]

If it still sells guns it is. You are confusing a shop that sells guns with a specialist gun shop.

[dennis]

She drives to get exercise,, get in car.. drive past school.. look for parking space.. park three hundred yards from school.. walk in. QED

[Derek Geldard]

"Mining is an extractive industry (when the coal's gone it's gone) and had been in trouble with mines closing since before the start of the

20th century. Maybe it's just as well that the railways had stopped burning coal for their motive power and the iron and steel industry had stopped using coal and the textile industry had folded with it's big consumption of coal to feed the steam engines in the mills."

You find this fantastic?

Takes all sorts.

Derek

[Jerry]

"Mining is an extractive industry (when the coal's gone it's gone)"

The question is about the reserves, not the fact that something is (obviously) finite, the facts remains that the UK is sitting on several hundred years of coal supplies and the reason that pits closed in the Thatcher/Major period of government was for *political* reasons and *not* economic reasons - as was the case in immediate - preceding - Wilson/Callaghan (or even the previous Heath) period of government. The question now is not how to use coal (technology moves on), for we still do use/import coal, but how we are going to (safely) extract it and extract it we will have to do at some point in the not to distant future if we are going to stay a *independently* energy secure nation.

[Pete Verdon]

I think something as mundane as faster speed of traffic is at least part of it. Sometimes I'm in a cheerful, generous mood in which I'd be happy to give someone a lift. Sometimes I see hitchhikers. Occasionally, the two coincide, which ought to mean that I pick them up. But on a main road (and people don't hitch around town), by the time I've seen someone, mentally processed the fact that they're looking for a lift, decided that I'd be happy to do so, and prepared to slow down and stop, I'm hundreds of yards down the road - and probably can't sensibly stop in the traffic anyway. I saw someone hitching halfway down a busy motorway sliproad the other day - out of sight round the corner from the roundabout, and an awful place to stop.

Pete

[Arfa Daily]

But we are not "independently energy-secure" now, are we ? We are beholden to the Ruskies and Frogs for just about all our gas. We get our oil from the middle east. Whilst we do still generate most of our own electricity, we couldn't even do that, without importing the combustibles for our power station furnaces, or the uranium to process for our nuclear generation capability. Even some of our electricity comes here courtesy of the Frogs via the cables under the Channel. Far from being independant, if all of these raw materials were denied us, we would rapidly go dark, and become very cold ...

Even if we were to manage to reopen the mines, or dig new ones, I'm pretty sure that their contribution to our ability to restore energy independence in this country, would not be anything even close to what would be required.

Arfa

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Huge saying something like:

LOL! What an utterly ridiculous statement.

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember [e-mail] (Steve Firth) saying something like:

Harrods is a department store. You should know what that means and the historical origins of them. So yes, if you can buy a gun there, Harrods is as much a 'gun shop' as 'Joe Bloggs Guns' of Hicksville, Texas, the only difference being in the procedures of supply.

[The Natural Philosopher]

No, it isn't.

The question s about how much it costs to extract it.

If for example it takes more energy to extract it than it produces when burnt, its not much of a ruddy fuel is it?

As usual its the contrast between cost accounting, and hard mathematically derived facts. and Soschlism. which has Great Ideas, but Cant Count.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Wonder why this usually means a wealth of misinformation is to follow...

Mines will always close when the thing being mined runs out or is too difficult to reach.

And these all ran on what?

Now that's a nice statistic taken out of context. Are you a politician?

Well yes. And just who privatised the generating industry? And even then a sensible government would have retained some degree of control.

Well we're certainly paying the price for that 'jam now' policy.

Sounds like more poor design.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

They certainly used to in London. Late at night after the tube had stopped.

[Rod]

Of course.

If you want to buy a can of beans, Tesco is a bean shop. Televsion? Well my local Tesco sells them - so it is a television shop. As a percentage of turnover, both beans and televisions might be infinitessimal. Surely, in so many ways, we accept that a shop is defined by what it sells rather than some other classification that bears little or no relation to what it actually sells.

[Bob Mannix]

I think you are wrong on three counts:

the original question was over the easy availability of guns from gun shops. In this context the Walmart was a gun shop.

the original question was over the easy availability of guns from gun shops. As far as I am aware Harrods does not have a specialist gun area where guns may be obtained by producing a drivers licence by 18 year olds. It would not be a "gun shop" in the context we were dicussing so the comparison is invalid.

In the sense that you require specialization, the Walmart I went in had a special section and counter for guns and stuff associated with guns that was itself of a similar size to a single fronted shop. On that basis the Walmart contained a gunshop by even your standards and was therefore a Walmart that was a gunshop. (it's centre screen here, for light relief!

)

Thats a view one might argue indeed but is different to the one under discussion.

[Jerry]

That is the problem, Thatcheright w*nkers can't, they only look at the day to day bottom line and never project into the future - I think the phrase is "Jam to day"...

The 'dash for gas', and thus the closure of the UK coal mining industry, came about when NGS output was approaching it's height and the opening up of the 'eastern block (Russia especially) promised plentiful and cheap supplies, no future thinking was done as to what happens when/if these 'cheap' supplies fail due to either depletion or for political reasons.

Thatcherism and Monetarism is a (and now proven) failed ideology, as much as communism is.

[Steve Firth]

Hello Mr Humpty. Walmart is not a gun shop and never was.