OT Anyone want to guess what I said?

I think you could still have been done for being drunk-in-charge of a vehicle, just sitting there with the key in your hand.

It's still your vehicle and you're in charge of it and responsible for it.

Owain

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Owain
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I had one apprentice who I decided to pay more than I legally had to and in return I did not buy the safety boots etc that I was legally required to. He could buy his own boots with the extra money and still be better off than the other lads in his year. Of course he pulled a fast one and I got a letter reminding me of my responsibilities. I dropped his wage to the legal minimum and I also started to make him make his own way to and from work as I am a bastard. I received a gobfull of his Dad saying I was using his son as cheap labour, I did reply there was no chance of that and when Jack did take his hands out of his pocket and do some work he was so slow and useless that he was anything but cheap. Jack lasted another 2 weeks.

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ARWadsworth

I was tempted to just go down the road and slam the brakes on.

I ought to do. And would you expect a second year apprentice to be able to wire up 2 way lighting? This one cannot, that why he is going, but they have rights and cannot just be fired even if they cannot do their job.

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ARWadsworth

Isnt that the barmiest thing. The problems with employees are precisely due to the laws we live under. And by god do we have problems.

NT

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Tabby

The main thing that bothers me about beenfits is they're a good deal higher than they need be. If claimaints got paid what they really need to survive, plus a very small amount more, and gave them a book showing how to eat on that much, there would be far less temptation to be lazy about.

NT

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Tabby

Tabby gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying:

Sounds like the problem is more due to the employer being unable to properly manage their apprentices. If they were, then this cretin would've had performance reviews, warnings, final warnings - and could easily have been got rid of perfectly legitimately. Or had his arse kicked until he shaped up, long before that final stage.

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Adrian

I would expect a second year secondary-school child to be able to wire up 2 way lighting.

Owain

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Owain

and the other for attempted murder?

Derek G. wrote:

No, they are *electors*, but very few of them bother to be *voters*. I > I ought to do. And would you expect a second year apprentice to be able to

I had this conversation with one of the kids on my electrical course

20 years ago regarding ceiling roses:

Him: So, I connect all the reds together and all the blacks together? Me: No, you connect the incoming live to the switch feed, the returning switched live to the live feed to the light, the returning neutral to the supply neutral. Him: So...... I connect all the reds together....?

I later saw him working as a postman.

JGH

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jgharston

2 years old is a bit young, I didn't do any two way switches until I was 12. I must have been a late starter my daughter went on a plumbing and bricklaying course at the local college while she was at primary school, as did the whole class.
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dennis

That's nothing. I let my gf's 6 year old drive my van.

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ARWadsworth

And he was a better driver too.

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dennis

Says the Astra driver.

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ARWadsworth

And it'll all happen again in similar ways out in the wild world of work;!....

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tony sayer

They're both too high and too low at the same time!

For some people they are a reasonable living, allowing them a house and nice extras that many of the working population cannot afford.

For others, those that have spent years working, done well for themselves and have a house, car, etc., the benefits system says that they need no more than the basic amount, despite them already having committments comeasurate with their previous income.

In my case I had a long term illness (2-1/2 years) and should have stopped work for a while to speed my recovery, instead I struggled on, working short hours and getting half pay - this meant that I could not claim on my PPI, so my debts increased markedly. Within a month of my getting back to good enough health to work full hours, I found myself out of work (with no redundancy, as I was on a renewable fixed term contract) just as my wife became ill. For some time, she was too ill to look after our children (unable to get up and down stairs, carry our baby, etc.), so I could not go out to work. We were judged not to be elegible for help, as her sick-pay was above the threshold - despite our income having fallen by 85% and her take home pay being markedly less than our fixed monthly outgoings. We couldn't even get help with childcare as we weren't both out at work, despite the fact that if we'd cancelled it, there was a minimum 6 month waiting list for another place, which would have prevented me going back to work when I found it and she was well enough.

SteveW

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Steve Walker

My offense was spending the last 20 years paying into a pension instead of frittering my money away, and then losing my job four years before my mortgage was paid off. My pension is seen as capital that makes me ineligible for benefits, even though the only way to actually use it as an income at this stage is to liquidate it and fritter the money away in a few years, leaving me dependant on the state once I actually need a pension, the exact opposite of what the state has been brainwashing me into over the last three decades.

JGH

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jgharston

Well, Dribble had to ask how here. ;-)

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Dave Plowman (News)

I've not got much experience of claiming unemployment benefit, but when I did they never asked about any pension arrangements. Although mine was an occupational rather than private pension.

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Dave Plowman (News)

I like the way the previous firm got rid of him. They said they had financial difficulties and he needed to look for a new employer. They of course, gave a glowing reference to help get a smooth quick transfer. The second he was gone they took on a new apprentice.

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ARWadsworth

I know they say everyone given chance will rise to their own level of incompetence, but it must be a bit disheartening for him to have reached it with his first appointment! ;-) Still probably blissfully ignorant.

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John Rumm

Well there is some respect due for asking first, rather than diving in anyway.

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John Rumm

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