Oh look wood burners cause global warming.

[dennis]

[The Natural Philosopher]

and might tip us into an ice age.

Obviously someone has invented a REALLY expensive particulate filter, and they want us to ft them all at huge expense.

Mandated by the EU.

There is no other possible explanation.

[Brian Gaff]

So that must mean then that forest fires are a bad idea.

Brian

[Brian Gaff]

Does cremation cause it as well?

Brian

[Roland Perry]

In message , at 04:14:52 on Wed, 16 Jan

2013, Brian Gaff remarked:

Apparently not: "organic matter in the atmosphere produced by open vegetation burning likely has a cooling effect. "

[Tim Watts]

On Wednesday 16 January 2013 00:01 The Natural Philosopher wrote in uk.d-i- y:

I'm suspicious enough to agree.

Funny how when CO2 is not necessilarly the problem it was claimed to be, a new bogeyman pops out.

[Phil]

I'll carry some 'open vegetation' back to my woodburner then....

[Terry Fields]

As it is acknowledged by all sides, so many forcing mechanisms are known only to a very low level of scientific understanding (which raises questions over the accuracy of the models), there are plenty of bogeymen left after this one has been flogged to death.

[PeterC]

There is no body of evidence.

[Jim K]

as long as mine cause local warming first, I see no reason to get excited just yet

Jim K

[Andrew May]

Problem solved :-)

[Big Les Wade]

Tim Watts posted

And whereas in the UK it has caused heavy rainfall and floods, its effect in Australia is the exact reverse. Everything that happens anywhere goes to prove the reality of man made global warming.

[Terry Fields]

Oh you mean like when Greenland was, well, green - or when the Romans had vineyards in Yorkshire ;-)

LOL

[Jethro_uk]

Given that mankind has been clearing woodland by burning for thousands of years, it is arguable the environment has already adapted.

[Tim Streater]

Doesn't make any difference, does it. Whether stuff rots down to nothing or burns, produces exactly the same amount of CO2.

[John Williamson]

Unless the rotting down is anaerobic, in which case it produces methane, which is a more effective greenhouse gas, but with less persistence in the atmosphere.

[Tim Streater]

I was assuming stuff on the woodland floor to be aerobic by and large, but I suppose if there's a thick layer (or water) then you'd get methane.

[The Natural Philosopher]

There you go! same soot but has different effects depending on whether it comes from diesel cars or plants.

A masterpiece of doublethink.

Essentially what this means is that the whole world, chemically and physically undergoes a fundamental transformation as soon as a human being lays a finger on it.

They must be thinking of my wife..

[Roland Perry]

In message , at 09:22:15 on Wed, 16 Jan 2013, PeterC remarked:

But it avoids an otherwise grave situation.

[Roland Perry]

In message , at 11:42:38 on Wed, 16 Jan

2013, The Natural Philosopher remarked:

It's not the same soot. Burning dry (seasoned) wood is quite a different process to burning green leaves, not only does the soot/smoke differ but burning the green leaves puts water and other more complex organic chemicals into the air as well.