Midtherm CPS would be suitable. But with all new installs, the air-in is via the Vertical Flue Terminal.
The more I look at it more dangerous it seem to be. *IF* this is a vent for a gas appliance. Its a wall vent with a pipe added - not allowed
It's a propane gas bottle...
and if he carries out this course of action I'd suggest you had better hope your ip is in no way connected to your real identity or the police could almost certainly come knocking with some *very* serious allegations against you.
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Not Corgi, they are a registration authority. The HSE.
Thank you everyone for your informative replies. Please find additional pictures of the pipe as requested:
The lower white pipe. That has an open end too? Is the grey plastic pipe at the end of this just laying there, or a part of the setup in some way?
I assume the pictures are looking at the roof of a first floor extension of some kind?
Is suspect this is a two pipe gas boiler flue. Atag use 100 Polypropylene pipe with pushfit elbows. Knock on their door, ask and look. Whatever it is for it should not be in front of your window.
It is a real cowboy job whatever it is for, and should be ripped out whatever.
I am surprised that there isnt some kind of grille assembly at the end of these pipes to prevent entry of birds,debris,blockage etc. Also they look a bit like 4" soil pipe. They could be some kind of air intake/flue output arrangement but the horizontal bits seems rather unsupported and downward leaning. I would have thought that most flues would be co-axial though i think there are some twin flue in/out type arrangements like this.
Surely his pipes are trespassing on your property. Is there any kind of easement in your deeds to allow for this?
The flue/window distance is a lot less with gas. 150mm? Dunno, but I can see a few from here that are not much more than that. Whether it can be that close to someone else's window I don't know, but it seems crazy if that's the case . OTOH from the pics it looks like Mr.Downstairs may not have any other place to put it thanks to what looks like his flat roof extension. Do you own the upstairs? Do you have any agreement about maintenance of the building etc? I think you need to get some kind of dialogue going and try to resolve it amicably.
It certainly looks like a dog's dinner but I'm not qualified to say whether it's unsafe or not. It does look a bit more like "work in progress" though than a finished job so maybe you ought to find out if this is the case.
The downward slope on the exhaust looks wrong too. Dunno about that system but I thought condensing boiler flues were supposed to run any condesate back into the boiler (where it'll drain away harmlessly). With that set-up I guess there might well be a permenantly wet patch below the outlet.
It would be useful if you had a photo showing the proximity of the flue to your window (taken from outside rather than inside) as the distance between the two is relevant.
Tim
It looks as if it can be run up above the gutters to me.
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There is a disconnected downpipe which I presume will be connected to this grey plastic pipe later.
Yes, it is looking at a toolshed, which is basically being extended to the next neighbour's brick wall.
Good point! None of his additions should rise above my floor level and this clearly does. However that is a civil dispute.
Not that I can recall, although I will check.
The downpipe. Is it rainwater from the gutters? A vent for the soil toilet pipe? This is obviously work still in progress. Maybe both are to connect to the grey vent pipe (if it is a vent pipe) and it is all soil piping.
The air in a sewer is warmer than the outside air at this time of year, and warm moist air will rise up out of the sewer and condense.
It is still a cowboy job as rodding points have not been incorporated.
Surely that isn't "it" finished. What a state to leave a "site" in, unless that area is being used as storage, then the state it is in is ridiculous. Propane cylinder with "rubber" hoses attached, cardboard boxes, lose tiles etc etc
Neighbour is not allowing me to get a picture from ground level but here are some pictures with hopefully a better perspective:
wall, which would therefore suggest that they are not boiler flue pipes. These are normally 50mm or so in a dual pipe configuration, not 100mm.
A boiler flue from a condensing boiler would be expected to have periods of quite a lot of water vapour coming out as it runs up to full power to heat or reheat water, and then at this time of year run at a lower level for much of the time. Is that what you are seeing?
Otherwise, could it be that one is a soil pipe vent and the other an extractor fan outlet from a bathroom?
An extractor in a small bathroom with a shower would perhaps exhaust visible water vapour.
I would be inclined to contact building control at your local authority and ask for a building inspector to take a look.
Whether it's a soil pipe or a flue, it is controlled from the building regulations perspective.
Atag use 100mm polypropylene pipes. There is brickwork indicating an old balanced flue position.
through the wall just where the elbow is in the topmost white pipe/flue. Was that the site of a pre-existing boiler or does it pre-date your occupancy?
It's just that if you lived with that, you had a boiler outlet even closer to your window than the present flue outlet! Chances are it wasn't a condensing boiler so you didn't have much of a visible plume. This rather reduces the strength of your argument about it being too close.
Personally, given that having that pipe hanging in mid-air like that can't possibly be a finished state of affairs, I'd suggest that you ask you neighbour what work is still to be done before getting too hot under the collar. It may be that the final plan may be to lead the flue right up to above gutter level.
HTH
Tim
Their Monopass brochure says that they *can* use 100mm for longer lengths on the larger boilers. These are connected to the boiler with reducing adaptors.
However, in a ground floor flat, it would be fairly unlikely to have a
60kW boiler or a 40m flue.
It pre-dates my occupancy. My boiler flue is much higher, near the top of my window.
Good point! If my flue is found to be too close to my window, will Transco or the HSE shut down my boiler? Or will they just recommend that I add a 90 degree bend to it to vent it further away?
It may be temporary but it can still be a hazard.
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