Nanny is awake again

[Huge]

Although in his defence, McCorquodales was a long time ago.

[Jerry]

So how come you don't understand the fact that the PDF file on the web is a just a direct copy of the PDF file used by the printers of the hard copy version?...

[Jerry]

You do not *need* water at > 60C, you choose to have such a temperature, perhaps if you had more cold baths you would not have such a frazzled brain!

[Jerry]

No, the figures come from domestic accidents.

[Jerry]

Scaled, after you didn't notice that the thermostat has been moved?...

[Jerry]

That's a matter of opinion...

[Jerry]

Yes, quite correct, but then the "I'm alright, F*CK you" idiots never do like the facts that blow their self-centred rants out of the water.

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember [e-mail] (Andrew Gabriel) saying something like:

Next try round I can see it being more compulsory. This 'scalding' thing is just the kind of thing to whip up concern and all it needs is a few cases of cowboy plumbers and heating installers leaving burst pipes, rads or exploding boilers to make all the voluntary schemes compulsory. Most people see plumbing as benign, not just lying in wait to kill them, as the popular conception of electricity is, so it was easy to scare-push through the Part P - stand by for scare stories relating to bad pipework.

[Steve Firth]

It's actually been a hobby horse of that awful, whining "You and Yours" programme on Radio 4. I think the Daily Mail has also been on the bandwagon. It has of course absolutely f*ck all to do with statistics.

It's an idea from the same morons who insist that coffee should only be served lukewarm.

[Steve Firth]

OK, if it's evidence based, provide a link to the evidence. It shouldn't be difficult to do.

Off you go.

[Derek Geldard]

You haven't given any figures !

Derek

[Mike Clarke]

[snip]

Are there any figures to show this? It was always standard practise to check the bathwater temperature before placing a baby in it. The traditional test of dipping your elbow in the water was reliable and needed no high tech equipment.

ISTR the media reporting a case of an elderly disabled resident of a care home dying as a result of scalding in a bath. This was apparently caused by a failure of the TMV. Perhaps the presence of TMVs in these institutions has resulted in carers no longer considering it necessary to satisfy themselves that the water temperature is acceptable before use.

[stuart noble]

Now we have electronic elbows to save us bending down

[Jerry]

But neither have you, all you have done (along with your clueless buddies) is to claim that just because you like scalding yourself everyone else does!

[stuart noble]

I suspect this is mainly to do with young children getting scalded, and more regulations would further deflect the blame from their brain dead parents.

[Derek Geldard]

I'm not pontificating about it. He who asserts must prove !

"No, the figures come from domestic accidents"

Too silly !

Derek

[Jerry]

Well if the parents are 'brain dead' (to use your phrase) then the state needs to do something to protect them, perhaps you would prefer more children taken into care (presumably after they have had hospital treatment) or perhaps your would prefer to go back to the 'Victorian' era were children were seen as the property of who was in charge of them and/or expendable?...

[The Natural Philosopher]

Not many printers will print from PDF.

Usually the PDF is an export from some other program which is what the typesetters will use.

They will almost certainly not be using a laser printer if the volume is expected to go above a few hundred copies.

[The Natural Philosopher]

That is a blatant misrepresentation of what I said above.

Go back and read it again.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Either would be preferable to the status quo.