I've started some thread recently and after a few replies I can't find them anymore...tough, one thread reappeared after a few days?! As I've just found out, my latest thread is now listed on DIYbanter (I've never joned that forum) and I wonder why is this happening...is this a way for certain forums to gather new members? (Forcing me to enter yet another forum?) Surely I've plenty to do than trying to open a new membership somewhere else - we got plenty of accounts and passwords to remember - I don't need a new one. Please bring back the thread where was originally started (thanks).
anymore...tough, one thread reappeared after a few days?!
You need to understand that you're using a web front-end (google groups) to a usenet group, you'll get a better experience if you use a usenet client, e.g. Agent, Thunderbird, even Outlook Express and talk to the group direct ...
never joned that forum) and I wonder why is this happening...
DIYbanter is another web front-end to usenet, it sucks most of its content from there, but makes it look like it's a forum
I suggest you get *one* extra account, for a proper news server, which will give you tens of thousands of groups, rather than the one account per forum approach.
anymore...tough, one thread reappeared after a few days?!
For most of us using Newsreading software the length of time an article is retained is down to settings on our own computers. You are probably using some other method to access the Usenet and are limited by the server that you are connected to. You sometimes see the thread reappearing because someone else keeps articles for, say, 14 days and has replied after your copy has expired from the server.
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Good answers already, just to add:
Google is an excellent archiving resource, they earned the right to archive our posts following their take over of the archives of the original Deja-vu usenet archive and I welcome their continuing service.
They are however a flawed interface for posting, breaking the format of replies and, as you have found, losing posts. As others have suggested, there are better ways to talk to usenet.
DIYbanter and the other branches of banter portal do nothing to further the concept of usenet and have done nothing to earn the right to archive content. In my view they are a third rate rip off of usenet, presenting the content as their own and earning revenue from ads along side our posts, thieves pure and simple.
Maybe try one of the alternate methods of access, it doesn't need to cost anything.
You should always be able to find thread on Google groups though (at least in principle). In practice they have seriously broken the indexing from way back so post that I know I have made are inaccessible. But this is years back I have never seen modern ones vanish although you do see parasitic sites harvest content from Usenet.
DIYbanter is a parasitic copy of a Usenet group just like GardenBanter and a host of others. Denizens of uk.rec.gardening have been known to be quite sharp with folk from gb who don't understand where they are.
annoying characteristics of which AOIE is probably worth a try.
I use Teranews which for text groups is a one time registration fee of $5 and refusing their invitations to upgrade once a year.
I'm reading and writing to usenet from plusnet and I've just checked. All the uk.telecom groups appear to be there. I'm on the usenet.plus.net server. I don't know how Thunderbird works (I'm using paid-for Agent) but if it is case-sensitive, try searching for uk.telecom instead of the capitalised version.
In the "Manage Newsgroup Subscriptions" dialogue box, available when you open an account in the left hand column, just type in however much of the name you can remember, and it will find all occurrences of that string in real time. In TB2, it's not case sensitive.
I haven't read all messages but someone mentioned that some discussions are= n't kept in certain archives... The point is that the last discussion was nicked after a couple of days! I = can find threads I started 5-6 years ago - these are peppered all over the = internet (including UKDiy site) - but I can't stand the fact that brand new= discussions are hijacked somewhere else!! I don't even know if I can reply to my own discussion in DIYbanter or other= sites using the same account - simply, don't want to give in to this form = of extortion...I'm familiar with the UKdiy format and I don't see why I sho= uld enter another page with another format.
Funny, this thread is still running here...I might have found a way - just = put something like: "DIYBANTER ARE A BUNCH OF SCAMMERS" in my signature (su= rely they aren't dumb enough to take this sort of messages on their site).
I suspect you are completely wrong. The DIY Banter garbage web interface will be 100% automatic and no-one who has anything to do with them will know or care what you put in your sig.
I can find threads I started 5-6 years ago - these are peppered all over th= e internet (including UKDiy site) - but I can't stand the fact that brand n= ew discussions are hijacked somewhere else!!
er sites using the same account - simply, don't want to give in to this for= m of extortion...I'm familiar with the UKdiy format and I don't see why I s= hould enter another page with another format.
t put something like: "DIYBANTER ARE A BUNCH OF SCAMMERS" in my signature (= surely they aren't dumb enough to take this sort of messages on their site)= .
Someone's got the message...the discussion in question (the one I couldn't = find on UKDIY) is now listed on Groups.google.com - I've used exactly the s= ame criteria as in the past. Go figure... I'm not an expert (as many have understood by now) but I've been using UKDI= Y for ages and never come across this sort of problems before...
Good then....I'll use an anti DIYBANTER signature and it will be listed on their site!! The system is automated for sure but there are filters and some messages simply don't register.
Are you just scrolling through the group list, or typing the name of the group(s) you're trying to subscribe to? If the latter try a partial search for "k.teleco" without the quotes, rather than "uk.telecom" in full - this bug affected older versions.
No, plusnet's is actually outsourced to giganews, if certainly carries uk.telecom.
Are you talking forums or newsgroups? Newsgroups like where I'm writing this have the ability to be able to send replies off to other groups. Often this happens if someone thinks those on that group could help or benefit. However the reverse is also true in that people can trim the list of groups, and if they trim it to groups it did not start on and take away the original one then no replies go there any more. Brian
can find threads I started 5-6 years ago - these are peppered all over the internet (including UKDiy site) - but I can't stand the fact that brand new discussions are hijacked somewhere else!!
sites using the same account - simply, don't want to give in to this form of extortion...I'm familiar with the UKdiy format and I don't see why I should enter another page with another format.
put something like: "DIYBANTER ARE A BUNCH OF SCAMMERS" in my signature (surely they aren't dumb enough to take this sort of messages on their site).
find on UKDIY) is now listed on Groups.google.com - I've used exactly the same criteria as in the past. Go figure...
for ages and never come across this sort of problems before...
That is because the search function on Google groups is defective and has been for about two years now. Existing posts might or might not be found depending on the way the wind is blowing and position of the planets when you hit return. Basically they wrecked it.
It is just as likely to spontaneously vanish from the search results again tomorrow. It is fairly rare problem but by no means unknown. Mostly I see it looking for archived posts to use msgid links.
I haven't seen it on newish posts but then I avoid posting through Google groups if at all possible. Nothing goes missing if you have your own local copies of subscribed newsgroups and update by NNTP.
There is no uk.d-i-y site - the Usenet doesn't work that way.
I subscribe to the uk.d-i-y group on a news server provided by my ISP. When I post my ISP puts a copy on its own server and then propagates a copy to other servers maintained by other ISPs or other organisations. These in turn proaogate the post onwards, potentially to every news server in the world that wishes to carry the news group. The posts in the group don't exist in any one place at any one time.
Each of the servers that carry the group will have different policy with regards retention times. Some servers may delete articles after a few days, some after a few months and some after a few years. UK.d-i-y being a text only group often means that the servers can keep copies for a significant amount of time, unlike groups that allow pictures and eat up expensive storage space. However, an individual has the option of downloading posts to their own computer where the length of time an article is keep is a configuration option in the software configured by the user.
At one time it was possible to find posts 10+ years old the news archives but since Google took them over and F***** them up this is now an unreliable.
Web interfaces such as "banter" just leach the information from the Usenet to add advertising.
I must admit I haven't fully grasped the idea of Usenet... Anyhow...what was happening recently was that in certain cases when replying to some messages I was being notified that my email was going public and had an option to go ahead or cancel. Now, if I see the same dialogue box I'll check the message to be replied and simply delete the line showing my email address - that way the dialogue box doesn't appear anymore and no discussions are being "stolen" (even temporarily). I don't think this is the right solution but so far so good... (when I find the time I'll find out a bit more on how the Usenet works).
to some messages I was being notified that my email was going public and had an option to go ahead or cancel.
simply delete the line showing my email address - that way the dialogue box doesn't appear anymore and no discussions are being "stolen" (even temporarily).
The Usenet is not email. In general you do not reply via an email - you reply to the newsgroup and everyone can see the reply. There may be instances where you may want to take something to personal email but this is very rare. In any case, many posters to the usenet do not give a valid reply address (because of the vast amount of spam it can attracts ) and any email you send stands a good chance of disappearing into thin air.
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