I need to replace the Euro sash lock on my front door, the latch part has
long since given up the ghost and the actual lock buggered up on Monday
resulting in a visit from the locksmith to get me back in.
Looking on Screwfix they have various sorts but I'm a bit stumped with the
terminology eg with this one
How are the backset (60mm) and the center (72mm) measured.
The knackered lock is not very deep, only 50mm from faceplate to back of
lock, if I was to get one that was deeper would the holes for handles and
cylinder still be in the right place
I had a bugger of a job changing my locks before I eventually had all
the doors/windows replaced. Ended up with the lock cylinder sticking
out of the doorlock inside by a few mm.
The descriptions are a bit confusing and the order the lot approach
doesn't work either. ;-)
My front door is 45 mm thick the handles are about 11 mm where they
house the lock so thats about 67 and there is a slight prominence to the
keyholes -that makes it 70mm. There was a door on a cottage in Wales a
friend had that stuck about an inch or more into the room. I'm surprised
she never complained when they fitted the new door as the house was very
I wonder if they told her it was a hangar for wet coats and umbrellas
rather than drive all the way to civilization for a replacement.
It worked OK though. You drop the cartridge by unscrewing the bolt in
the faceplate of the lock. Its a phillips that runs into the bottom of
the barrel. Hope I haven't lost you there. They are dead easy to work on
once you have seen one in pieces. It's just that one bloody set that put
me off them. I don't know what make they were.
Here is how to take your door off if the worst ever comes to the worst
Tap the pins out of the hinges with a 4" nail. If they are cheapo hinges
then you might have to get thin masonry nails or similar. Keep one handy
there's a good boy.
Put a support under the door and a couple of thin wedges in the hinge
side to force the door away from them.
Get someone to tap the door in to you from the outside. Do this gently
to stop the door getting damaged by the halves of the hinges left in the
Alternatively, bend the hinges out of the way. It might be the devil of
a job to put them back anyway, so get a set of new ones.
I don't know how you'd get on with one of those fancy modern ones. Mine
are drop fit types so I'd have to grind mine away. And even then it has
bolts all over it like an hedgehog, so the locksmith would be busy.
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"> The cartidge fits flush with the handles so it's the width of the door +
I've always called them 'cylinders' never heard the expression 'cartridge
As long as you have either a key or a thumbturn on the inside it's dead easy
to change them, it's when you have neither that a wee bit know how comes
into it's own.
backset = front of lock to centre of handle spindle hole or lock
cylinder hole (both are same distance from front of lock)
I think the centres they are referring to = distance from centre of
lock cylinder hole to handle spindle hole
The lock you have linked to is a european style lock which is probably
not suitable for you.
No, the backset is the important measurement, that is the measurement
that determines how far away from the edge of the door the handles
From your measurements you have what is broadly known as a "narrow
stile" mortice lock.
You might need to go to a locksmiths shop to get the right lock, the
cylinders are normally sold seperately from the lockcase.
The lock cylinders come in different lengths to suit the width of your
Is your door wood, metal, plastic?
-- Can't think of good sig at present.....maybe later --
Thanks to all for the response. I trawled round the various local sheds and
lock shops but they were either closed or didn't have anything to suit. A
bit more searching on the net and yes, I do have a narrow mortice lock so
ordered one from these people
www.locksonline.co.uk (they actually have quite an informative and helpful
Couldn't be bothered to hunt around anymore and even with delivery probably
won't work out any more expensive than going to a shop.
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