Kitchen socket as spur from cooker. Compliance?

[EricP]

From the CU is a 6.0 wire to a cooker box on the kitchen wall. (15 amp fuse)

This box is the standard cooker switched box with a switched socket on it. Next to it is a double 13 amp socket.

I have just found that this socket is set as a spur to the cooker box. The connecting 2.5 T&E is only about eight inches long as the cooker switch and socket are only an inch apart.

I have asked elsewhere but the nearest I can get to an opinion is that it is "iffy" but may pass any compliance due to its position and closeness to the supplying box. Also the comment that an alternative socket not on the ring is useful.

Being of simple mind, it seems to me that it either complies or it doesn't..

Help appreciated.

[gg1000]

Many specifications contain lots of recommendations as well as hard-and-fast rules. This seems to be in one of these areas - I am not aware of any rules that this breaks, but it is something that you probably shouldn't do (and is probably covered by a number of "should not" clauses in the full regulations).

It's like "you must not drive when over the blood/alcohol limit" but also "you should not drive when you have drunk any alcohol".

[EricP]

So that supports the opinions so far then. "Iffy" seems to rule.

Many thanks for looking at it. :))

[Funfly3]

my mums cooker point has a 13 amp socket built in

[Christian McArdle]

Yes iffy, but not immediately dangerous.

Christian.

[Christian McArdle]

That's explicitly allowed, provided you follow the stated rules for diversity calculation.

Christian.

[EricP]

Thanks Christian I will leave it then and not worry.

(I didn't mention the meter plus of diagonal lead to the cooker I found in the wall.) :((

[gg1000]

That one is a big no-no

[Funfly3]

but very common

[ARWadsworth]

Is the fuse is really a 15 amp fuse and not a blue 15 amp fuse holder with

30 amp fuse wire inside? If it really is 15 amp then you are probably not using an electric hob and so you have just a bog standard radial circuit feeding an electric oven and gas hob plus the double socket. If it is 30 amp fuse wire and a full electric cooker then a double socket spured from the circuit is not good and I would remove it.

Adam

[Owain]

In which case the cooker is not connected via a 13A fuse, which it should be on a 'standard' circuit.

Owain

[EricP]

I know and agree fully with this particular piece of ruling.

Is down and across at right angles ok?

Or easier would be down in conduit and then open on the surface under the worktop. This will avoid problems.

[EricP]

Yep. 167 others in my road and a few thousand in the immediate vacinity, if this practice was followed on every build.

[EricP]

The age of the house suggests that the circuit was intended for the older hob with two hotplates and two of the spiral rings, and a simple oven. From memory the oven had a 1KW loading and the hob about 4KW maximum.

I am all gas, so I will permanently disconnect the diagonal wire to the cooker point by cutting the wires so they can't be reconnected, and put a fused spur (3amp?) in for the hob and oven electrics, just the spark ignition and oven light.