Jobsworths.

And almost no-one is aware that smoking can mask thyroid disease. Giving up can unmask underlying hypothyroidism. Of course, unmasking tends to be a relatively sudden event so can catapult a person from apparent relative wellness into severe illness in quite a short time.

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Rod
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Fair enough! My mistake...

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Bob Eager

Yes, ok. I was merely trying to demonstarate that "50%" didn't mean two sides out of 4, but 50% by area. I guess if I was actually sad enough to get out my tape measure, it's actually at least 4 times as long as it is wide, being along one whole side of the building, but only being probably 4m wide at most. It is actually a fully open structure, but they have set up tarps at the ends to act as windbreaks, as it is elevated 4m up the side of the building.

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Arfa Daily

Obviously, you know nothing about the people that go to a bingo club, you self-opinionated pompous arse.

Arfa

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Arfa Daily

It was pretty much accepted that Roy Castle died of lung cancer as a result of gasping in great lungfuls of smoke to play his trumpet over many years in smoky clubs. He never smoked himself in his entire life ...

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Arfa Daily

Yes I agree. Since the removal of the toxic fumes several pubs that I have visited are doing far better in terms of attendance and are selling more beverage and much more food. Several have raised the quality level of their menu as well which is certainly a good outcome.

Those wishing to smoke are typically accommodated outside on the patio in the winter, and of course in the summer can sit at tables on the lawn. As long as they are downwind, it's fine.

So there are two issues here. Supermarket booze certainly is relatively cheap and that is a problem in a lot of ways. Apart from the impact that you describe, it is acting as one catalyst of many for binge drinking and alcoholism.

This would rather suggest that their business is pretty fragile anyway. It seems rather surprising that attendance is dependent on the facility to smoke, or is it that nicotine is more addictive than gambling?

Since people are able to smoke, drink and gamble in the privacy of their own homes, that suggests that these things are more important to them than the social aspects of the bingo club.

Perhaps the owners will turn them back into cinemas.

To an extent I agree with you. This whole exercise has attracted the Elfinsayftee jobsworths, and for those that it has helped to give up, a few that have "got religion". I can understand that being irritating to those who formerly smoked inside in public buildings and places of work.

I've never smoked and never will, so can't comment on the addictive properties. I can appreciate the feeling that some smokers are expressing about the new restrictions and a sense of feeling persecuted; although I can't help wondering whether some of this is an addictive reaction to some of the smoking opportunities being removed.

Equally, I don't buy into the notion that drinking doesn't negatively affect others. It can, be it the kind of behaviour seen on the London Underground yesterday evening, or the more serious effects of alcoholism. These certainly affect other people. By the same token, so can gambling, be it a social pursuit or an addiction.

Taking the other end of the spectrum, some people are able to enjoy one or two drinks and not affect others. That is probably also true with gambling.

Whether people can use one or two cigarettes and not become addicted I'm not sure, but it seems so. However, to the unwilling participant of the fumes in a confined space (i.e. inside a building), the effect is as unpleasant be it the smoker's first cigarette of the day or his hundredth. That is different to the effect from a drinker's first drink or his twentieth.

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Andy Hall

You are just trying to compare a reasonable law to something unreasonable in a vain attempt to justify your erroneous viewpoint. You are typical of the sort of person that makes such laws a requirement as if someone was to just say please don't smoke you would just to be a PITA.

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dennis

Bigger, WHOOSH!!!

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dennis

All of which were illegal long before the smoking ban so thanks for providing support for making harmful activities illegal, just like they have made the *harmful* activity of smoking illegal where it can affect others.

I know it harms me so I know you are the liar.

Do you really want to continue to lie while using your trading name? It won't do your image any good to do so.

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dennis

So you think it can cause asthma attacks but its not a health risk. Your logic is that of a deranged druggie. Next time you kill an asthma sufferer I hope its someone you know.

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dennis

Or asthma sufferers?

You are just a druggie clinging to hope in the face of all the evidence.

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dennis

Do you think you need to? it obvious from your stupid logic.

So it should be up to a factory to decide if its going to have guards on machines then? Or its up to an individual to decide if they are going to learn to drive before getting on the roads? Doesn't your argument sound silly when you think about what you are actually proposing?

Do you want a job clearing asbestos? No safety gear needed. After all there is no evidence that asbestos causes problems other than the statistical link between asbestos exposure and a few diseases.

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dennis

Do you think the ambulance team needs the *extra* risk from some one smoking?

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dennis

I didn't, but the damn smokers did.

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dennis

So you have answered your own questions.

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dennis

In this case.

If you know of a law that is wrong then get elected and change it. I am sure you could get elected on a pro smoking agenda.

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dennis

Dennis, do yourself a favour & get out more (that is if the particular Institution you're in allows). Better still broaden your mind & educate yourself with the works of François-Marie Arouet (Voltaire), John Locke and Thomas Hobbes. It must be difficult for you to be a self opinionated, intolerant antisocial bigot that you clearly portray yourself to be in the majority of your posts!

Don.

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Cerberus .

So its illegal.

One length + two sides > one length however long it is. They need to take down one tarp for it to be legal from your description.

It was done that way to ensure most bus shelters were included in the smoking ban.

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dennis

No I just have a very low opinion of smokers that are stupid enough to think the smoking ban is not a good idea. I have a similar low opinion of drunk drivers and a few other people.

Why do some smokers act like pratts when they can't get their way?

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dennis

There is no social aspect to a bingo club.. they arrive.. grab their favorite table.. play a few games in silence... play some slot machines in the break.. go home.

There is more social life in a casino.

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dennis

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