How old are your apprentices?

[tim...]

To settle an argument in our (wider) household

How old are "traditional" trade apprentices when you take them on?

Member of family (she who is *never* wrong, supported by clutch of offspring) was adamant that no-one can leave school before 18 YO.

So I said "they can if they take an apprenticeship", to which the response was "only one of those waste of time classroom type apprenticeships" (no argument from me about the "waste of time" part here!)

and I said "No a traditional trade apprenticeship counts" - "Oh no it doesn't" .....

so what is the rule here please?

TIA

tim

[Andy Burns]

Depends where "here" is ...

[ARW]

We took on a 15 year old last year - he had an August birthday.

The rest are usually 16 or 17 years old.

However I do believe if they have not passed maths or English - f*ck knows what they take now consider to be a pass these days as the ones that have passed are as thick as pig shit - then college requires then to retake those subjects as part of their electrical course.

[Cursitor Doom]

We all know the answer to that: the woman is *always* right. Don't argue; it will not end well for you.

[Cursitor Doom]

It's all done in the pursuit of equality. The system can't make everyone equally intelligent, so instead they use the schools to make everyone equally ignorant.

[Alan Dawes]

The following seems to be relevant:

"The Education and Skills Act 2008 requires school leavers in England and Wales to continue in education or training to the age of 17 from 2013 and to 18 from 2015.

The Act requires school leavers in England and Wales to continue in education or training to the age of 17 from 2013 and to 18 from 2015.

Young people will be able to choose whether to stay in full-time education, undertake work-based learning such as an Apprenticeship, or part-time education or training if they are employed, self-employed or volunteering for more than 20 hours per week"

So if the 16-18 year old is recruited onto any type of apprenticeship, it needs to be approved and must include work based learning which means in practice studying for a recognised qualification.

Whether that helps or not depends on what you define as a traditional trade apprenticeship.

Sorry, I've probably not been much help!

Alan

[tim...]

That part wasn't disputed

The dispute was over whether traditional trade apprenticeships qualified to be "approved"

I just said what a silly retrograde step it would be if they had made them not so (when all these "pointless" class-room apprenticeships that have zero chance of leading to a real job, were), but that didn't cut any ice

Anything where learning on the job was/is a (legitimate) major part of the training - even something as lowly skilled as P&D is streets ahead of "retail apprentice" (which just seems to be a scam to pay shop workers below MW)

thanks

tim

[tim...]

and all of them with a degree

tim

[John Rumm]

I have a client with several apprentices in administration and in lettings property management. Youngest is 16. One works full time in the office. Another does 4 days a week and a day at further education college.

So yes apprentices can be younger than 18, and they don't have to be in traditional "trades" at all.

[Brian Gaff]

When I were a lad, I was 15 when I left for me first job, could not wait to get away from the time wasting so called place of education.

I was only offered an apprentice if I passed a medical, and due to my eyesight I did not but was kept on as a specialist, quite what in was never clear, Jack of all trades, master of none. That was in the mid 1960s. It did me no harm not being an apprentice or not going to a college or university, as later on they sent their graduates to me for a quick course in common sense. Brian

[ARW]

What happens when a lesbian couple have an argument?

[Cursitor Doom]

And doctorates and professorships!

For example, sex-obsessed couch potatoes are now awarded them:

[Andrew]

Hell hath no fury like an LGBT thwarted ......

[Huge]

Blimey. Mark Kermode's missus. I bet watching TV in their house is a riot.

[ARW]

No injuctions then?

[spuorgelgoog]

They kiss and make-up.

Owain

[ARW]

As ignorant and as daft as Pounder?

It's a challenge but let's go for it.

[Cursitor Doom]

Well, there's not much more than that they *can* do if you think about it. ;->

[PeterC]

Q?

[Andrew]

Battery sales suddenly spike ?.