How have the mighty fallen? OT.

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:15:23 +0100, June Hughes wrote (in article ):

Yes. They even say it themselves and are actually *proud* of it as though it's some measure of excellence and investment; when really it's a measure of bureaucracy and incompetence.

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In message , Andy Hall writes

So who do you suggest we pay our NICS to?

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June Hughes

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:11:49 +0100, June Hughes wrote (in article ):

I have spent a lot of time in the USA and am quite acquainted with the various healthcare options there.

People seem to automatically assume that anything which proposes reduction or elimination of the NHS means moving to a U.S. type system. It doesn't.

I am simply saying that the government shouldn't be involved in *delivery* of healthcare not that it shouldn't be providing funding for it.

Even other countries with socialised medicine manage to do a far better job of it than the UK NHS.

It is the delivery vehicle that is long overdue for retirement not the principle that there should be access to quality healthcare.

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Andy Hall

On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:11:40 +0100, June Hughes wrote (in article ):

You can send them to me June.

I am quite sure that I could do a much better job than the government does.

It wouldn't be that difficult.....

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Andy Hall

In message , Andy Hall writes snip

Who has told you that?

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June Hughes

In message , Andy Hall writes

Very glib.

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June Hughes

Following up to Mary Fisher

Hello Mary, hows things? I'm always on DIY but I lurk until I have a problem, which might be today as the gas fitter cometh.

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The Reid

Following up to Andy Hall

heard of economies of scale? There is no "inevitable" correlation between size and efficiency.

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The Reid

Following up to Andy Hall

why isn't it free at point of delivery (minor prescription charges aside)?

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The Reid

Following up to Andy Hall

can you prove its a "total nonsense"?

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The Reid

Following up to Andy Hall

to be replaced by the business middle man in a nice suit creaming off the money, like the privatised water companies. Some things are done better by the public sector.

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The Reid

Following up to Clive George

it can, but its expensive there. The insurance companies are not going broke! Neither are the companies that deliver other privatised services here.

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The Reid

Following up to Andy Hall

so you think.

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The Reid

The US health care system is the sick giant of the world. It is disgraceful that the rich white old guys at the top can't see that they are creating a sick population. What can they do with that in the end? Bigger bombs?

You can pay an enormous sum for insurance in the USA and get denied necessary care. You can bleed to death in emergency services because the staff is taken up with care for kids who have no insurance coverage and therefore are brought into emergency care. They have no alternative.

Of all the schemes, I look at Australia's national insurance as attractive. I am not up to date and it may not be what it once was. Italy isn't bad, but there are some bad doctors hired because of nepotism. You do get to choose your primary physician-- if he isn't already full. I have worked as simultaneous translator for British businessmen who come here to buy NHS covered products. They are always looking for lower, ever lower, prices because the allowed price of something has been reduced. That often means leaving off some things to increase the order for others to bring up the economy of scale and get the price right. It is interesting to me to see the wide range of things covered, such as nutrients for sensitive or allergic patients, and packed protein IV fluids. Many are made in Germany but sell for lower prices here. Many of these products are covered here only while you are in hospital. It is an entire world, all to itself.

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Umbrian

Things is as always - interesting. A mixed bag but I live yet.

How can you type so well with crossed fingers?

Mary

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Mary Fisher

Andy doesn't answer simple questions.

Mary

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Mary Fisher

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Sounds good to me.

But I thought you had private medicine ...

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Mary Fisher

So you want the smallest possible employer and no government.

A witch doctor sounds likely.

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Mary Fisher

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the spelcheck helps, but the gas fitter has now goneth.....with £600.

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The Reid

It's not bad at all, but people still complain. My husband died two years ago of motor neurone disease - we had incredible support from everyone connected to the Health system from the moment he was diagnosed and it was virtually free - not all our travelling expenses to Adelaide for sleep clinics, breathing clinics, dieticians etc were met, but 90% were. OTs,physiotherapy, domicilliary and palliative care were completely free from the regional service, alterations to the house to cope with wheelchair etc were at cost, and it all happened as and when we needed it - this is more than you wanted to know, probably :) We did not have private health insurance as it is prohibitively expensive on a fixed income - but the care he received was just the same as if we had. Waiting lists for elective surgery in capital cities, I understand, are long; in the country, they're not too bad.

However, in Tonga, if they couldn't treat what ailed you with paracetamol and/or penicillin, forget it. Towards the end of my time there, we had no qualified doctor for the whole Ha'apai group, just two valiant final-year medical students...

Anne South Australia

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