House Building

No it is not.

Take that away and the countryside would vanish, along with all our agriculture, and the country become a mass of unaffordable low rent shacks connected by an inadequate road system to non existent jobs.

The land that is available is all well away from where its of any use to anyone. Like Scotland.

Bags of space up there, but no one wants to live there. No jobs, crap climate etc.

Communism and a land grab that even Mugabe only dreamed of.

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The Natural Philosopher
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It does. That is whay they do it. They can buy land at say a million and in

5 years it will be worth 10. Where can you get that return from doing NOTHING. They pay no tax on that land. Land value Taxation will cut all that out. Speculators are a curse. hey caused financial crashes.
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Doctor Drivel

In a nutshell, yes.

Yes.

And that's why Gordon Brown needs to be hung for telling a woman she is a bigot, when immigration of EVERY sort has trebled under Labour, and all the 'new jobs' created by labour have gone to educated immigrants on account of Brits being too stupid, badly educated and lazy to do them, when the dole is simply a better option.

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The Natural Philosopher

I've no kids. I am exempt.

In fact the only people I know with more than 2 kids, are on the dole...or Catholics..so that defines the general area for deployment of the machine guns then ;-)

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The Natural Philosopher

Total tripe! The land cost is the major factor.

You are brainwashed fool.

Which is ridiculous. An acre of agricultural land can be purchased for £2,000, a complete eco kit home for £20,000, yet the average price of a house in the UK is near to £200,000. Obtaining planning permission to erect a house in the countryside in a country with a land surplus will be near impossible. Few realise that the high land value is the reason why their homes are so expensive.

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Doctor Drivel

Plastic houses?

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ARWadsworth

But it does help to soak up excess profits without having to pay tax on them. Then in future years they can realise (i.e. sell or build on) the asset. It's like shops buying in stock in good times to cushion against lean times.

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pete

Au contraire .... very, very contraire. My 800 sq ft. house is valued at around £300k (difficult to say exactly as so few houses are selling around here). The property insurance lists the estimated cost of _clearing_ _the _site_ and rebuilding the house at just over £100k. The rest of the "value" is the plot it's built on.

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pete

Jules, the stereotype US house (from movies etc ;-) is a concrete basement with a timber house on top. Are the basements still common - that must take a while with poured concrete etc ? Simon.

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sm_jamieson

pete gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying:

Indeed. Around us, it's far from unknown for (even million quid plus) perfectly viable houses in good order to be bought, promptly demolished, and a new house built on the site - rarely are the plots subdivided.

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Adrian

Total bollocks! You haven't a clue. No wonder he votes Tory.

At only 7.5% settled there is too much to vanish.

The current developer hoems are little more than shacks with cardboard eggshell walls clad in brick to hide the fact. The homes are also feet from each other like battery hutches.

Releasing land will give cheaper land and higher quality homes. Building regs can assist in ensuring minimum sizes and sound proofing and conforming to the local vernacular.

He is totally right. You are a NIMBY pillock

None of it can be built on. The Lairds even own the land right up to Inverness and will NOT SELL and no PP can be given.

Plenty would like to live there, but they can't build on the masses of land. It is that bad people have resorted to live in trailers and it is a way of getting around the ridiculous planning laws which favour large landowners. They blot the countryside. So much for protecting it by not letting people build.

Communism? he sees reds under the bed all the time. He went to snotty uni and votes Tory you know. Or implement Land Value Taxation. They own the land but impose a tax on its "value" an drop income tax and Council tax. If they can't pay the tax, which is currently untaxed, then they have to sell to someone who can make productive use of the land.

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Doctor Drivel

Stock can deteriorate and go out of fashion. Land doesn't. Stock needs storing and that costs. Land doesn't. Buying stock contributes to economic growth. Land doesn't.

Hoarding land creates an artificial land shortage ratcheting up house prices keeping people from buying homes. Storing stock doesn't.

Big difference. Speculation on land should be stopped. It was responsible for the 1929 and 2008 crashes.

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Doctor Drivel

Yep. About right.Average is 2/3 the land value. It is ridiculous.

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Doctor Drivel

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High prices for very small high density homes are the norm in the United

Dribble doesn't half post drivel. He can't get even the most basic of facts right. OK so you can buy agricultural land for £2000 an acre but not where commuters would want to live. No roads, no schools, no infrastructure of any kind. According to the latest report on the VOA site:

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hill land can be had for as little as £2000 and in some regions the average is above that. East and West Midlands, Eastern and South East Regions have so little hill land that average hill land prices are not reported. Good farmland in England and Wales averages about £5000 an acre.

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Roger Chapman

More downright nonsense from Dribble. It costs money to invest in real estate. The real gain is in obtaining planning permission otherwise the rise in value of the land may not keep pace with inflation. Having a land bank with planning permission may indeed see rapid increases if it is in the right place at the right time but a developer can't realise his profits without paying tax on them and tax on trading profits at that, not capital gains tax.

It might be different for Johnny Foreigner who buys a shooting estate in Scotland and manages to sell it on at a handsome profit some years later but even that loophole could have been blocked by now with one of Brown's stealth taxes. Contrary to Dribble's allegations not all big land owners are blue blooded. One of the estates I am thinking of was owned for a time by a member of what has been described as the 'Beerage' and that certainly passed into foreign hands.

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Roger Chapman

I'm with Drivel here. You're talking unbelievable rot.

There are huge expanses of land sat on by the big home builders, who act in a very similar way to De Beers do with diamonds.

Scotland doesn't have a subsidised transport system in the same way the South East does. It's a long way from Industrialised Europe. Why do you think getting planning consent in Scotland is so much easier than in Kent?

Germany and Austria are countries with practical planning policies to ensure land is made available with demand, and hence haven't had the same wild fluctuation in house prices as seen in the UK.

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Fredxx

And, you planning permission does not last forever. If you don't actually start construction within some time frame (typically 5 years), then it expires.

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Tim Streater

It is MASSIVE

Compared with say the USA.

These figures are completely meaningless. You cant say 'only 7% is settled' when you need the rest for airports, roads, farmland, parks and the like: A better comparison is to look at density in terms of people per square kilometer.

If you look at England, and leave out Scotland and Wales and Ireland, you will find that it is probably the most densely populated country in Europe, if not the world.

*Much* less than that. And even less if you build houses all over farmland.

You seem to know as little about farming as anything else. Typical left wing townie. WE grow very few crops of any note whatsoever. average quality wheat, barley for brewing anmd animal feed, a little otas and rye. Most of our bread is made from imported Durm wheat,which we cantt grow here. All maize is imported. We do grow potatoes, and some other veghetables, but e bulk are imported from elsewhere.

We are pretty self sufficient in meat, and other proteins, its true.

Er, no. Most of the land is NOT agricultural. Its basically wilderness that no one wants.

Tale a look with google earth, at scotland, the pennines, the welsh mountains etc.

And ask yourself why, when there is so much empty land that no one is using for ANYthing, no one has built on it already..

As usual, you have fallen for the simple lies that people make statistics tell, and lack the ability to think the true solution through.

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The Natural Philosopher

Yes. England is 990/sq mile. Netherlands is higher and Belgium pretty close.

France is under 300, Germany about 600, Italy about 500, Poland about

300, Spain about 250.
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Tim Streater

That's a common misunderstanding. The net movment of water vapour is from inside to out, not the other way round. Wrap a porous building in plastic and you get a damp problem.

NT

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NT

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