Hot and cold fill washing machines

[Andrew Gabriel]

European washing detergents have been enzyme based for 40 years, and these need low temperature fill.

US washing detergents are still mosly soap powder because they haven't considered energy efficiency until much more recently. Still large use of top-loaders which require lots of water, and the machines mostly can't heat the water themselves, because the larger quantity and lower power available from electrical outlets just doesn't work out. Front loaders have been appearing in the US over the last 10 years.

[Tim Streater]

I think it did, but only after every few minutes and not randomly. Mind you, I bought it more than 30 years ago.

[Bob Eager]

Last week, son (who is a chef) washed his whites and aprons. One apron had one of the tapes trapped in the door. It came out as a heavy rope that is still stuck, I believe!

[pcb1962]

Absolute bollocks, just like everything else you've said in this thread. My Miele washes and rinses perfectly every time, with plenty of water if I choose.

[pcb1962]

What utter bollocks

[pcb1962]

Indeed, I press the "Water plus" button on every wash.

[Tim Watts]

There's a programmable setting that makes it remember the last set of options - IIRC it includes the Water Plus option.

[Huge]

Too long.

"Absolute bollocks, just like everything else you've said."

There, that's better.

[Capitol]

Not what Which found.

[Huge]

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

"Which" is arsewipe.

[The Natural Philosopher]

+1000

[Tim Watts]

Yep.

You only have to read a camera review on dpreview.com and a Which review to know how lightweight they are.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Right. So just who would you trust for a washing machine performance assessment?

[Tim Watts]

Anything except Which.

Amazon, Reevoo and similar for user reviews (some of which can be quite detailed). Amazon I like because they let you go back and add edits, so you do sometimes get a bit of long term feedback too.

[alan_m]

+1

Have you noticed how the dpreviews can suck you in to wanting something more expensive?

Read the review a camera that you are thinking of buying and they will compare the features/performance with another camera, say brand B.

Thinking that Brand B may be a alternative to consider you then read the review for that camera and find that it may have a slightly better set of features or performance BUT at the same time they compare the features/performance with another camera - brand C.

By the time you have read the fourth or fifth review you check the price of the alternative camera and find it cost 2x or 3x the price of the one you were first considering.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Not sure I'd trust buyer reviews of that sort.

It's a long time since I subscribed to Which, but when I did I was never disappointed with getting their best buy for something like a washing machine. Cameras and Hi-Fi etc are such a personal thing you'd tend to look at specialist mag for those. But even then I'd doubt you'd always agree with it.

[Tim Watts]

I've always Amazon have been *extremely* useful if you get a reasonable number. Sure, there's the odd shrill, but it's fairly rare.

When I've "take a chance" against a couple of reviews having warnings, on occasion I've experienced the same mode of failure.

Generally I try to stick with 90+% 5 star and almost zero 1,2 stars and I've very rarely been disappointed. Best thing that ever happened to retail...

I wish there was something equivalent for trades...

I did a trial about 15 years back (after getting used to Internet mobo reviews) and was less than impressed. They seemed to get the thing out the box and spend an hour with it. No extreme testing, no engineering opinion of "this looks well made, this not so, there's a flumblewidget which is good..."

It was good when there was no alternative (80s) but, perhaps my expectations are higher, but they do not seem to be really testing the products. I'll allow perhaps they've got better recently?

[The Natural Philosopher]

Actually I trusted people here who all said 'its expensive, but its the dogs bollocks' when I got a Miele.

I also go by reviews in e.g. amazon, esp. negative ones.

Like today nearly all the reviews of a particular TV pointed out how crap the internal speak3ers were. Ok if using with an external amp, but I didnt want to..so crossed off my list.

[Tim Watts]

Yes - the negative ones are often telling - but sometimes, as you say, it may be a point that doesn't matter (and you get the odd couple that didn;t read the description and are complaining it's too big/small/wide/noisy etc.

[The Natural Philosopher]

ITYM shill.

It was better than nothing.

I neither know nor care. Internet gives you direct user feedback.

I get asked questions about stuff Ive bought like 'will this video card fit in my PC' and I feel happy to be able to say yes... or... no..whatever.

Internet is far far better than 'which'

Even including terminal idiots like harry, who is a renewable shill/spiv, this NG is far far better equipped to evaluate household goods than any magazine with a PFY reporter taking bribes on the side.