Home cinema wiring

Mike Barnes :

I'm following up my own posting to thank everyone who's responded and clarify a few things. Sorry not to reply individually but there's so much overlapping information that this way makes most sense to me.

I know some people like to go to town on their video systems but TBH I can't see that happening here. We don't watch TV at the moment and I can see this system being used for the occasional film on DVD or whatever or so that visitors can get the sports results, but not much else. There's another room for listening to music, with the obligatory monster speakers and cables. So I'm not looking for ultimate quality or something I can upgrade for fun, just something that works and doesn't look too conspicuous. Having said that surround sound would be nice and AFAICS won't be terribly difficult.

Regarding the height of the speakers I'm tempted to put them on floor stands with low-level outlets so that the height is adjustable and the stands will mask the leads.

I do like the idea of mains cable for the fixed speaker wiring because it's thin (especially if removed from the outer sheath) and it's manageable. The walls are plastered, but unfortunately the plaster is stippled. I wouldn't have chosen it but I can't be arsed to skim it all over so it's staying. I'm therefore looking at speaker wiring behind the skirting boards, or possibly on the floor next to the carpet grippers. But what sort of connectors would you expect to see at each end? I know wire binding posts would be cool but I'd prefer a plug-in connection.

Knowing nothing about modern TVs I assumed that the topology would be like a PC, with all the intelligence and connectivity in a table-top box, and a screen that's *just* a screen with only two connections (mains and video). Looking at ads on the internet though, it seems that everything tends to come in one lump and if you want to put your screen on the wall you have to run all the bloody wires up there as well. Have I got that right?

As I said I'm looking at a screen location in the centre of a wall. The room is littered with obstacles (two external windows, one internal window, fireplace, central heating radiator) so there isn't a great deal of choice. The location I had in mind is on chimney breast, and yes, the fire will be used. I don't know whether that's a bad idea, heat-wise. The fire is a cast iron wood-burning stove entirely contained within the fire opening (the front of stove is behind the plane of the wall) and the flue is lined so it could be worse I suppose. Looking on the bright side, there's an alcove to the left of the fire, 500mm deep, which would be ideal for the equipment cabinet, which I'd buy if possible or make if I can't find anything suitable. And if the wiring is in a surface conduit I could route it up the side of the chimney breast and sneak it round to the screen quite inconspicuously. I haven't decided on a screen size yet but 60 inches isn't out of the question and would just about fill the 1500mm width of the chimney breast anyway.

Height-wise the fireplace containing the stove is only 800mm high so the screen wouldn't have to be particularly high off the floor. At the cinema I like to sit on the front row so I'm used to looking up! If rising hot air is likely to be a problem I might well fit a "decorative" shelf below the screen to deflect it but that wouldn't add too much to the height.

The other possible location for the screen is across the corner in the aforementioned alcove but that would limit the screen size and I don't know how the surround sound would work with the screen in one corner and viewers in the opposite corner.

Thanks for all the ideas, my thoughts are focusing nicely. Ideally I would spec out the equipment now, but I'm putting that off for as long as possible.

One last question: satellite. Is it a simple coax cable like UHF or is there more to it than that?

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Mike Barnes
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That is how a system using and AV amp would be set up.

Not quite sure what you mean. If you want to use the TV's receivers they will obviously need their appropiate aerial feeds but if you are going satellite then that box will sit by the AV amp and be fed to the TV via that so you can get the full digital sound from the sat box to the amp, like wise the DVD/BluRay would plug into the AV amp. Most AV amps have a variety of inputs so your Playstation, XBox ext would also plug into the AV amp but I don't think that is an issue for you.

Cinema seats tend to be inclined to match the screen. An ordinary sofa might be a bit to vertical.

There is an active box at the dish (the LNB) this converts the satellite siganl into frequencies that are easier to squirt down coax. It also selects polarisation and band under control of the satellite receiver. This means each satellite tuner needs it's own feed from the LNB. Note "tuner", to allow you to watch one channel and record another you need two feeds. If your TV has a satellite tuner that will also need it's own feed.

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Dave Liquorice

En el artículo , Bill Wright escribió:

All 3 single core unfortunately. 's ok run in conduit. Ran out of T&E a while ago.

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Mike Tomlinson

We're getting a bit off-topic but I appreciate the help. So can you buy a TV that's just effectively a monitor, or do you buy one with all the gubbins in and then bypass it (like onboard sound in a PC)?

You're right, I'm unlikely to be plugging in that sort of stuff, and presumably I'd be running all those speaker wires to the amp rather than the TV.

Noted.

Eek! Clearly some advanced planning is needed in order to get the right number of feeds. Fortunately I've worked out a route from the roof to the proposed equipment cabinet that won't show.

You say "active" box at the dish so does it get its power from the tuner by DC across the coax?

Is satellite a DIY sort of job or should I call in the specialists?

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Mike Barnes

You can get TV's with less inputs and fewer tuners. You really ought to buy on the quality and resolution of the panel though and just not ring all the bells and blow all the whistles that a decent set will come with.

We haven't touched on the actual telly spec side yet...

Yes to the amp. Very few (if any?) TV's have built in surround amplifiers.

Yes it's powered from the satellite box.

Very DIYable the Dish just needs to be able to have a good clear view of the right bit of sky. That is roughly somewhere that is sunlit at about 20 past 11 (or is it 20 past 10?) in the morning. The sun will be quite a bit lower at this time of year and higher midsummer but it gives you a good idea for suitable places.

The dish doesn't need to be a chimney height, ours it at about 8' above the ground high enough to be out of the way but low enough to be whacked with a broom handle to knock the ice off it when that stops it working.

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Dave Liquorice

Run two CT100 or equivalent cables to the receiver. This is copper foil on copper braid cable.

This cable is not moisture proof so do not surround it with wet plaster.

If I were you I'd run four cables in because the future starts here. And at the least a draw wire so you can pull some fibre in later.

Bill

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Bill Wright

All it means is that respectable people disobey the law. That devalues the law, and is the start of the road to anarchy.

Bill

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Bill Wright

Yes.

You just make sure you have two CT100 cables running from the receiver position to an accessible outdoor position. At the outdoor end tape up the ends of the cables so damp doesn't get in.

Bill

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Bill Wright

Certainly means rather than viewing the law as black and white (like I was taught to - OK I'm old...) I evaluate everything as to its reasonableness and ignore the bollocks as long as I think there will be minimal repercussions.

Of course, my sense of reasonable differs to someone elses....

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Tim Watts

Most don't even know what 'the law' is as regards doing repairs or alterations to domestic wiring. Especially pros, by what they state.

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Dave Plowman (News)

Quite. But if the law was seen as good and valid people would know it and most would obey it.

Bill

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Bill Wright

This sort of 'law' is never going to be fully understood by the majority. Leaving it open to interpretation by those who lobbied for it in the first place - like trade bodies. To their greater advantage. CORGI were notorious for this. But it does little to stop the cowboys.

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Dave Plowman (News)

It doesn't matter, the new colours were on sale before prat P came in so you could have used the new colours.

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dennis

Its not that hard for home cinema. The only thing you need on the wall is the screen and the centre speaker. You then use HDMI to connect to an AV amp and some T&E for the speaker and a mains lead.

Then you need front speakers either side but probably not close to the screen.

There are also rears and possibly side speakers and maybe even high speakers to add elsewhere.

The LFE (subwoofer(s)) can go out the way somewhere.

You can make it more complicated but I don't see why, the latest AV amps will transcode other video to HDMI so you never need to send composite, component or SCART to the screen.

The only other things you may want is Ethernet if you want to use a smart TV as opposed to a smart blueray or a PC and/or an IR repeater if your screen doesn't send commands over its HDMI to control the AV amp, etc.

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dennis

Far too simple. It is generally easier to route all your sources through the TV and then feed to the AV amp. Most displays require the audio to be delayed and a decent TV will do this for you.

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Dave Plowman (News)

You must be joking.

So will a good AV amp, and there is data in the HDMI data put out by the TV to suggest how much to do it by.

In any case the audio wont be coming from the TV, it will be the master audio from the blueray player or the DD from other sources, it need (should!) never go anywhere near the TV.

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dennis

"dennis@home" :

You've summarised my conclusions from this thread and the web research it's prompted me to do.

I've been encouraged to make up my mind what sort of gear I want, and I think I'll be getting something like this:

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a big screen of course.

I've worked out how to get coax from the roof to the receiver without making a mess, so I'll just leave that for the time being, until a TV signal is wanted (which might be never).

Reply to
Mike Barnes

No.

I'd rather have a decent amp without all that crap. Unless it is only ever used for 'home cinema'.

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Dave Plowman (News)

Define decent.

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dennis
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I already have good enough speakers from my old hifi.

If you get a STB (sky/freesat/freeview) then it will be next to the amp not the TV.

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dennis

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