Handyman liability? (long, with boredom potential)

Hee Hee :-)) This is the rub. But you have to ask yourself where the money lies. Is your market made up of mostly small domestic customers ? If you are VAT registered, would you gain more commercial work because of it ? To make the company limited is always the best way to go in my opinion, so that goes without discussion.

I personally went down this road because I wanted the bigger commercial jobs (yes, I'm a greedy bugger), and to compete in the more specialist market places. The larger providers didn't keep up with the times quick enough to take on board the flood of new digital technology and were falling by the wayside. In steps I to take a chunk of the new market, but, the big commercial sites want to be able to claim the VAT back just as much as everyone else, so I was being left out of the tendering while the other big guys were catching up. I was (?) sort of forced into taking the C&E mans hand and bite the bullet if I wanted to gain a slice of the cake, as they say.

It's a big decision to make and should only be considered if you know it will give you good enough returns, so take time to talk to accountants and the VAT men themselves before you jump in. There is a lot gain from it, but it can also cripple you if you do it wrong.

I remember a saying by an old business friend, who has just recently retired from a very successful venture he'd started on his own some thirty years ago, and the saying went like this "All is fair in love and war" then he also added to the end of this saying "And Business". :-))

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BigWallop
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It's really not very much extra. Cost to actually set up company, maybe £100, annual costs to Companies House I think are £25 now (maybe a bit less, can't quite rmemeber) and that's all the statutory requirements. You may decide you need an accountant to do the annual accounts but that would apply if you're a sole trader too, the statutory requirement for lodging accounts you could fulfil yourself if you wanted.

Oh, and you have to have a company bank account. If you shop around that doesn't have to cost anything, after Flemings Bank became Carter Allen Bank and then started charging for their accounts I left them and am now with Abbey National Business which pays me interest on money in the account, doesn't charge for a reasonable number of transactions per month and all in all is ideal for a small Ltd. company. *Don't* use any of the 'well known' high st. banks for business accounts.

Having bought the company I really don't understand why you don't use it, the costs are tiny.

I'm only MD of one! :-)

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usenet

We always do so the tenants can't bite us about it afterwards.....signatures can be wonderful things sometimes :)

Good point on the recording of the test. What periods did the dummies book say - monthly, half-yearly?

-- cheers,

witchy/binarydinosaurs

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Witchy

I'm just miffed that the couple of seminar type things I've been to only go on about the benefits, I don't think either of them mentioned the pitfalls, but then again I suppose they wouldn't for fear of putting people off.

-- cheers,

witchy/binarydinosaurs

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Witchy

In this case the house was vacant when I did the work so I could easily vanish into the night, but I'm far too consciencious (sp?) and I always overdo things in the first place, so having a simple elbow joint fail on me is very annoying indeed!

-- cheers,

witchy/binarydinosaurs

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Witchy

My other Ltd company is VAT registered, has been for the last 8 years....C&E have been paying me money back the last couple of quarters.

PoP

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PoP

I don't have a curt answer for that either. I kind of made the decision to grab the Ltd company name before someone else got there first. Decisions about using it were put on hold for a little while.

PoP

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PoP

"Witchy" wrote | "Owain" wrote: | >I disagree with the inspector on this point: I say it is also your | >responsibility to *maintain* and keep operational the fire detection | >system, so you should not rely on the tenants doing so on their own | >initiative, but test (and record, and have the tenant's signature | >that you did so) the detectors on your periodic inspection of the | >property during the tenancy. | Good point on the recording of the test. What periods did the dummies | book say - monthly, half-yearly?

I only read the book in the shop - I didn't buy it!

My own smoke alarm instructions say (in block capitals) test the alarm weekly to ensure proper operation. But this is for a battery alarm.

If you have an agreement that the tenants will perform the weekly or monthly test, then I think a landlord's test two-monthly or quarterly would be adequate for a single family dwelling. However, if Something Bad Happens you may be answering to a sheriff or coroner. For student-type HMOs, bedrooms above the first floor, or elderly/disabled tenants, the risks are greater, and I would suggest a landlord's monthly check.

One of the major impetuses for HMO legislation in Scotland was after several students died in fire in a basement flat which had no smoke detector and barred windows.

Owain

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Owain

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Stand by for a VAT inspection then!

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Tim Mitchell

This particular place has 4 older studenty types in it who seem pretty responsible and is a standard 30s semi so we should be ok with making 'em test it every month or summat.

-- cheers,

witchy/binarydinosaurs

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Witchy

I guess I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet. But I'm not worried about anything, we play with a straight bat and my wife is absolutely ace at dealing with admin - we have a letter from the old NI people to prove it! Words in the letter were "....if I had to teach someone how a company should be run I'd bring them along to you to show how it should be done".

It was a wonderful NI visit 3 years ago. Inspector turned up, sat down, looked at the paperwork, asked for some random things for checking which were instantly handed over, and after about 3 hours she left with glowing comments with no problems having been found.

PoP

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PoP

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VAT men are different (at least the ones we've had). They are like driving test examiners, display no emotion, and determined to find a problem somewhere.

Having said that we had a visit from the Inland Revenue, the lady was extremely pleasant, asked a few questions, said nice things about us and then next day sent us a bill for 5K in supposedly unpaid tax, which after much arguing they agreed was not actually due.

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Tim Mitchell

I was VAT inspected twice during the 11 years I was registered. On both occasions, the inspector (inspectors, the first time) were friendly, helpful, chatty and couldn't find anything wrong.

Figures.

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Huge

Regulations

What was wrong with battery smoke alarms?

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IMM

People took the batteries out when the alarms went off for the Nth time when making toast, or simply didn't bother to replace the batteries.

.andy

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Andy Hall

Battery Smoke and Heat detectors are not allowed in commercial premises or in homes with loft conversions anymore. Many fire brigade inspections around the country, found that people had removed batteries or had allowed them to run down and had not replaced them, so the regs' were changed to make it compulsory to have mains supplied with battery back up in these situations.

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BigWallop

Yep, wot he said ^^^^^^^. Best thing with the mains ones is they're interlinked so if eg. the heat detector in the kitchen is triggered they all go off and wake up the whole house.

Same goes for nuisance triggers I suppose, but the instructions are clear as to where you should and shouldn't site the detectors.

-- cheers,

witchy/binarydinosaurs

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Witchy

Does that mean in rented property only mains version can be installed?

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IMM

So now people remove the batteries and flip the switch on the battery alarm circuit.

Jim.

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Jim Ley

I thought they ran off the lighting circuit...

D
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David Hearn

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