getting a grant for DIY loft insulation

[Andrew Gabriel]

Wickes had the rolls on BOGOF through the winter. I forget who was subsidising them, but I think that offer finished.

[ARWadsworth]

E.ON

there is an intersting note at the bottom.

"This product is subsidised by E.ON under their Carbon Emissions Reduction Target (CERT). Further subsidies cannot be claimed by professional installers under CERT schemes. Offer limited to 100m2 per transaction"

Adam

PS To the OP. Fitting loft insulation is a horrible job. BTGTTS

[Roland Perry]

In message , at 11:44:39 on Sat, 11 Apr 2009, ARWadsworth remarked:

Does that mean E.ON has already counted the carbon reduction resulting from this insulation? If so, then surely anyone fitting it is getting lower fuel bills, but the reduction in carbon footprint has already been counted. That doesn't mean that the reduction isn't welcome, but there's a grave danger of it being counted twice.

[ARWadsworth]

I took it to mean that it could not be counted twice.

Anyone else care to interpate the wording

Adam

[Roland Perry]

In message , at 14:25:52 on Sat, 11 Apr 2009, ARWadsworth remarked:

It seems pretty clear that TPTB won't allow the install cost to be subsidised twice over. But once installed, the homeowner may feel proud that he's doing his bit to save the planet as a result of the lower footprint of his heating bills. Whereas I think that's *already* been counted and E.ON will be emitting *more* carbon than previously having traded it with the homeowner by way of their subsidy.

[george (dicegeorge)]

No, not *more* carbon, I think there will be less carbon emitted to the atmosphere because somebody has extra insulation in their loft (but more oil was burnt to deliver the ainsulation and charge the electric tools)

[g]

[Roland Perry]

In message , at 22:25:25 on Sat, 11 Apr

2009, "george (dicegeorge)" remarked:

Yes more carbon, because E.ON have bought the right to emit more carbon, as a result of subsidising the insulation.

But it's balanced out by the more carbon that E.ON are allowed to emit.

(Their fuel bills are genuinely lower, although if the house is heated with zero-carbon electricity then that's another circle within a circle...)

I wasn't exploring second order effects like that.

[ARWadsworth]

It does look like it a simple offsetting of the CO2 emmissions. If EON save x tonnes of CO2 production by subsiding the insulation they simply count it as a reduction in the CO2 they actually produce.

Adam

[Steve Walker]

Some years ago I looked at grants for converting cars to run on LPG (Powershift IIRC). I can't remember the figures, but do remember that grants were only available when using specific approved installers - funnily enough their prices were all above the independent competition by almost exactly the amount of the grant.

SteveW

[tony sayer]

In article , george (dicegeorge) scribeth thus

Loft insulation has a beneficial effect over a very long time, far more that the carbon required to produce it;!..

[dennis]

That depends on how much is installed.. if you install too much insulation it costs more carbon than it saves.

[geoff]

In message , "dennis@home" writes

This could be interesting ...

Go on Dennis, show us some maths and facts then

back up your assertion with some real data

[Tim Ward]

Easy peasy.

(1) Install sufficient insulation to stop 99.999998% of heat that would have leaked out through the ceiling.

(2) Install another 100 times as much insulation.

I'll bet you that step (2) costs more carbon that it can possibly save over the lifetime of any ordinary house.

[geoff]

In message , Tim Ward writes

But I was after a real world, realistic answer

100mm will stop a high percentage, you would not physically be able to fit 10m of insulation under a standard domestic roof

Its just another denniswank comment you see

[Phil W Lee]

geoff considered Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:26:00 +0100 the perfect time to write:

Insulate the loft too effectively, and the electrical cables will overheat and burn the house down.

That's going to release far more carbon than you could ever save on the heating bill, even without the extra carbon consumed by rebuilding.

[PeterC]

The cables would have to be overloaded. All of the cables in my loft are for lighting and on a 6A MCB; as the wires are 1.5 or 1 mil, so can take =>10A in air, they'd need far more than the MCB will take.

[tony sayer]

In article , dennis@home scribeth thus

Well done Dennis!, what an astute observation byf you!..

And fule know that 200 mm is the optimum...

[tony sayer]

In article , Phil W Lee scribeth thus

You've got some serious overload problem there if thats happening..

OTOH if your growing dope then thats a distinct possibility;!..

[geoff]

In message , Phil W Lee writes

That's even more stupid than dennis's original statement

[ARWadsworth]

And all the newbuilds are knackered then

Adam