German solar PV fail

[Steve Firth]

Quite a spectacular fail in fact.

[Tim Streater]

Let's see how harry spins *this* one.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Like a bloody teetotum

[Nightjar]

I thought The Economist's description of the German energy policy as being Quixotic particularly apt.

Colin Bignell

[polygonum]

That might tilt the argument.

[Chris Hogg]

Especially if they're going to rely on windmills.

[harryagain]

Easy. This is just more drivel. How do they know the total cost of the nuclear plant since it is not even near completed? They might not even get one at the end of the day. Nothing mentioned about decommissioning costs either. No mention of operating/maintenance costs. Near zero in the case of PV panels.

Also none of our existing nuclear plants have lasted sixty years (or the French ones), why should this one?

I wonder where they get seven cents/Kwh, the frogs want a lot more than that at the proposed Hinkley point project? Oh look at this, that figure is bollocks. There's a surprise.

Surprised you are so easily taken in by the utter tosh in this atricle.

[Steve Firth]

Bullshit. Solar panels need constant maintenance to brush off the dust for a start.

As predicted by TNP, harry spinning like a top.

Meanwhile, in the real world, EDF has applied for a life extension to

60-63 years for all AGRs and for an extension to 67 years for Sizewell B PWR.

The Magnox reactors were designed for fifty years use which is why they aren't around sixty years later.

There are very few subjects on which Harold the Halfwit cannot speak fluent bollocks.

[Steve Firth]

By taking a factual look at costs, not hysterical greenybollocks made up costs.

The Royal Academy of Engineering costed nuclear at 2.26p/kWh.

[The Other Mike]

Got a source?

"Hinkley Point B in and Hunterston B until 2023" (which equates to 47 years)

Has it. Did someone tell the ONR?

25 Years

[Steve Firth]

"EDF announced it expects 7 year life extensions ... across all AGRs ... a

20 year life extension ... for ... Sizewell B"

[The Natural Philosopher]

Golly that hard one.

How do you know the cost of a windfarm that isn't completed? Or a solar panel installation that isn't completed?

I think you may have hit on something there harry.

We should stop any further renewable energy pojects because no one knows how much they are going to cost.

Included in the costs silly boy How much does it cost to decommission a solar farm and return it to green field? And dsipsose of the toxic waste that lasts billions of years.

Near zero in the case of nuclear, too.

Perhaps because it was designed to do so?

Not surprised you are as usual lying.

[harryagain]

Unless near horizontal, the rain washes off any dust, the glass is self cleaning. You're full of crap for someone who doesn't own any.

[harryagain]

There yah go. Mr Firth caught out again. There's a surprise.

[Nightjar]

It doesn't work that way for my car or house windows. Both always need extra cleaning.

Colin Bignell

[The Other Mike]

If you go to the source, or at least a bit closer to it.

"EDF expects to increase the average life extension from five to seven years"

So that is seven minus five = two more years, and given the previous life extensions, the start of commercial operation, previously announced intended closure dates, and engineering issues that cannot be solved it is nowhere near '60 - 63 years' - 47 years maybe and at least one *will not* reach 35.

"A 20-year life extension has previously been announced as the strategic target for the Sizewell B PWR"

20 years possible extension + 40 years original design life = 60 years, not 67

Also there has been nothing heard in 16 months since that announcement either by EDF or by the ONR.

[harryagain]

I don't suppose your windows are self cleaning glass.

[harryagain]

It doesn't take decades of escalating costs to build either of the above that's why. And they are not prototypes that might not work properly at the end of the project either.

[Nightjar]

A two year trial to establish a standard method of measurement showed that self cleaning glass was cleaner than untreated glass, but that is not the same as being clean. Even Pilkington admit that their glass does sometimes need washing with warm soapy water or hosing down to stay clean.

Colin Bignell

[Steve Firth]

harry tells lies, no one surprised.