Free standing gas cookers - do they come with connectors?

[David WE Roberts (Google)]

Hi,

read the recent threads, and appreciated most of the stuff about gas fitting and competence.

What I THINK I understand is that you can connect a free standing gas cooker yourself with minimum risk if the cooker comes pre-fitted with a hose with a bayonet fitting, and your fixed gas supply has an equivalent bayonet fitting.

However, I also picked up suggestions that the gas cookers may now come without the fitting hose, to try and force the customer to have the cooker fitted by a Corgi person.

So; do cookers normally come with the bayonet fitting?

This could be a significant factor; I am looking for a temporary free standing cooker for the next six months. I have both electric and gas cooker points in the kitchen. I would prefer gas. However if it is going to cost me =A340-=A360 extra to have the gas cooker fitted then this may force me to go for electric.

Cheers Dave R

P=2ES. is there a way to hide your email address when posting via Google Groups? The one I have used is SPAMmed to death anyway, but you need a valid email address to confirm subscription.

[<me9]

Would cost for electric too (part P).

[manatbandq]

Set up a hotmail account. You might get some abuse from :::Jerry::: but then, who gives a s**t.

MBQ

[Richard Conway]

True. In fact, it would be entirely legal to do the whole gas install whereas to DIY an electric would not (unless you were to submit a building notice which would cost a fair bit more than getting a gas fitter in).

On the other hand, I would be happier installing electric without Part-P compliance than do the gas work myself.

[s--p--o--n--i--x]

All the cookers I have seen come without hose.

However, you can buy a hose and GAS PTFE tape for about £12 in B&Q, no questions asked.

Last gas cooker I bought (Earlier this year) came from currys.co.uk and although they offered the Currys installation service (At a cost) I declined and the cooker was duly delivered.

At no time was it mentioned that I couldn't but a cooker to install myself.

Slightly OT, but a tip for if you decide to go this route yourself: When tightening the hose (With a spanner) grasp the thing it goes into with large molegrips. Invariably the metal it's mounted on is very thin..it can twist and break the metal pipes that attach to it.

sponix

[s--p--o--n--i--x]

On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:15:43 +0100, Richard Conway wrott a

Completely O/T but why?

People are as a rule unhappy to do gas work themselves but think nothing of doing water pipes. Gas pipes ain't rocket science.

A poorly installed water pipe could burst in your loft, bring down the bedroom ceiling and kill you just as terminally as a gas leak while you sleep!

sponix

[John Rumm]

Alternatively:

codes: 6032, 6963, and 11721 ought to do the gas side of things!

Note that with cookers there are more requirements that just getting a gas tight connection. These include things like fitting the anti tip bracket or chain, and also ensuring the room has adequate ventilation for an unflued appliance like a cooker.

IME yes, but it is years since I bought a new one so things may have changed.

Sparks don't come free either ;-)

(at least that is one benefit of part P - now fitting any type of cooker is shrouded in red tape, you only need choose which bit to ignore ;-)

Can you change it once setup?

Failing that create a temporary account with gmail/hotmail/yahoo etc or switch to using the proper news feed from your ISP (if they have one) and a newsreader program since it will work better anyway.

[Chris Bacon]

Is your gas point a bayonet type? If so, just buy a second-hand cooker that plugs in.

[Richard Conway]

Er...I don't know. I guess I'm just a victim of CORGI propaganda! Maybe I'll have a go one day.

Except for the ones carrying gas on rockets.

It would have to be very poorly installed as no plumbing goes anywhere near my bedroom ceiling!

I do see your point though, and I suppose if you test all joints with leak detection spray and carry out a soundness check then you can be pretty much certain of no leaks.

Okay you talked me into it - but I'll come looking for you when I blow my house up!

Richard.

[Ben Blaukopf]

If you buy a second-hand cooker, what guarantee is there that the connection of hose to cooker is sound?

I bought a cooker last year which came without a hose. I connected the hose myself, checked for leaks with washing up liquid, leaving it for a while and sniffing. That didn't prove there was no leak, but it did tell me that any leak was sufficiently small not to matter to me, particularly given the space was reasonably well ventilated. I checked the gas meter overnight and it didn't move. I also checked it on several subsequent occasions.

Sometime later, to appease my father-in-law, I got a corgiman who was doing some other work for me to check it for me. It was, of course, absolutely fine. A manometer is on my birthday list.

Ben

[Ben Blaukopf]

I thought connecting a cooker to an existing electrical point was outside the scope of part P, in the same way as rewiring a plug on a kettle.

Ben

[Richard Conway]

But a cooker is a fixed appliance - and it is in the kitchen (I would assume)

[John Rumm]

No, we will come looking for (bits of) you ;-)

[Richard Conway]

Aha, but if I'm out while it happens I won't even have to look for you as I will come home to find you routing through the rubble looking for my bits!

[Lurch]

On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:59:24 +0100, Ben Blaukopf scrawled:

[Lobster]

Don't think so...

Just set up a dedicated hotmail account and use that (like what I've done). I check it once in a blue moon in case anyone's emailed direct, me off the newsgroup, but you can just leave it and it will lapse after a month, whereupon the account vanishes and any mail to it is returned undelivered (but doesn't affect your google 'account'.

(I normally read/post using a newsreader, but I still keep that configured with my dodgy hotmail address, so I can post interchangeably with google groups if ever necessary)

David

[david lang]

Exactly my experience. Currys quoted £80 + VAT for a CORGI guy. I also bought the hose & gas tape in B&Q. Currys did tell me it was illegal to install myself though.

Also tried to sell me a 3 year warranty. I explained that if it went wrong inside 3 years I'd be back to complain that it wasn't of merchantable quality. Whoosh! Straight over head - obviously never heard of the Sale Of Good Act.

Dave

[John Rumm]

Do you leave "your bits" at home when you go out then? ;-)

[Bob Smith]

Only if you were paying yourself to do it.

£80 is a bit steep - a £12 hose and £68 for 10 minutes labour.

Bob

[David W.E. Roberts]

You may note that I usually use a proper newsreader (or IE).

I don't have Usenet access from work so the only way to post a query seems to be Google Groups.

There doesn't seem to be a way to change it; they should really allow a verification account and hide your real email address.

Most sensible Usenet users use a sink for the email address (like [e-mail]).

Ho hum.