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Technology makes massive inroads on all our lives yet people still:

  1. Think that it helps if you press the button many times at a pedestrian crossing or a lift.
  2. Flick the car remote keyfob in particular way to unlock the car.
  3. Banging the computer mouse will solve problems.
  4. Turning a thermostat up to max will warm things up quicker.
  5. On electronic keypads where there is a slight delay - use the delay to press the button really hard until something happens.
  6. Don't realise the importance of a drop of oil on pushchair wheels and up and over garage doors.
  7. Need to hear a noise like that of an old camera when they use the latest digital camera.

Any more?

Reply to
John
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Shout at telephones, radios and televisions.

Hit anything which doesn't work.

Expect the computer screen to know what they mean

Blame the phone when they get a wrong number.

Reply to
Mary Fisher

Can make a difference, depending..

Id dislodges teh dirt on te mouse wheels.

er..yess..

Well when the fuel pump didn't fire up on the freelander, just as we were about to go out to dinner, I hoped it was roughly where it was on a defender, and slammed the rear offside door REALLY HARD and..it started!

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Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

Wasn't the digital camera noise thing the result of some privacy legislation in Japan (or somewhere that isn't the UK) which sought to address the issue of covert photography of the ahem, insides of women's skirts in crowded areas?

Matt

Reply to
matthew.larkin

Neither of my digital cameras have made a noise like an slr. The first was a very early one.

Mary

Reply to
Mary Fisher

Given that camera's don't always take a picture the /instant/ you press the button, I *like* some feedback that the photo has been taken (also useful when I freeze the focus by half pressing the shutting and then point elsewhere - I like to know I've pressed far enough to take the photo).

Given the need for *some* feedback, something approximating to an old fashioned shutter click seems a pretty good choice. Sound is better that light (because I'm busy using my eyes on the scene - not the camera). A shutter click is intuitive and not too obtrusive for bystanders.

Reply to
Martin Bonner

Agreed - it is the type of noise that made me comment - after all SLR cameras were probably owned by a minority of those who now use digital cameras and phones.

Reply to
John

  1. Start off-topic threads in the hope it will make them new friends.
Reply to
Man at B&Q

Depends on the size of the buffer. Granted, it may only have room for one entry, but still....

What on earth do you mean? Standing on one leg while wearing an eyepatch? How many ways can you "flick" (strange choice of word) a car remote?

It won't stop the blue screen of death, but it will sometimes dislodge crap stopping the internal wheels.

But an aural indication that the picture has been taken is very useful. Might as well sound like a camera shutter as anything.

That was quite enough, thanks.

Reply to
teddysnips

Maybe

True

errr, no!

Reply to
Bob Mannix

I've never had a problem with the lack of noise feedback - and I worked for a professional photographer who has taken years to convert to digital. You only need take a few pictures on a digital to get the 'feel' for what's happening.

As for lack of obtrusiveness, it's far more polite not to interrupt a speaker, for instance, with the clatter of shutters than distracting his/her attention.

If we'd always had silent shutters then noisy ones were introduced I think there would be complaints :-)

Mary

Reply to
Mary Fisher

Most point and shoot digital cameras take a somewhat random amount of time between depressing the button and the shot actually being taken. Unless there is some kind of feedback, you don't even know whether the shot was taken. Your pro-photographer convert will almost certainly be using a digital SLR which by definition has a degree of audible and visual feedback.

It is definitely a law in Japan, and as most cameras are made by Japanese companies, we are stuck with it. It can sometimes be disabled in the firmware.

Of course, everyone always complains about change :)

Steve

Reply to
stevelup

time between depressing the button and the shot actually being taken. Unless there is some kind of feedback, you don't even know whether the shot was taken.

The feedback is on the screen.

using a digital SLR which by definition has a degree of audible and visual feedback.

It has audible feedback which irritates him, he can't understand why it's necessary :-)

It is definitely a law in Japan, and as most cameras are made by Japanese companies, we are stuck with it. It can sometimes be disabled in the firmware.

Well, both my cameras are Japanese and neither makes any noise. I've never seen an option to disable it.

Of course, everyone always complains about change :)

Indeed.

Mary

Reply to
Mary Fisher

The feedback is not necessarily either. My mobile freezes the picture on the screen when I press the button to take the picture. It then, about 1s later, makes the noise, and then about 0.5s later takes the picture.

This is not very useful, and I only found this out when it was too late to take my pictures again ...

Reply to
Piers Finlayson

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember "John" saying something like:

Shutters exist on digicams, but my particular bugbear is the fake shutter noise on my phonecam. It's louder than my dSLR.

Reply to
Grimly Curmudgeon

We regularly have the g daughters stay with us and the camera I used to use to take photos of them suffered the same problem of shutter lag. I got a bit fed up of trying to get a shot of them on a seesaw and ending up with just the top of their heads on screen. The camera I have now has a shutter lag of 0.1 seconds. It is superb.

Dave

Reply to
Dave

The dirt on a wheeled mouse rollers will have crud on it that is a combination of sweat and grease from the user and the dust and such that is on the mat. The only way to clean the rollers is to drop the ball out and use a solvent to get rid of the crud from the rollers. I have done this lots of times, but not for a while now, since I use an optical mouse these days.

Dave

Reply to
Dave

That's the advantage of having professional training :-)

Reply to
Mary Fisher

I've got a HP Photosmart R717 camera and it is crap for shutter lag. It does take nice pictures, but it can take several seconds to store a picture to the card and if I try to take too many photos too quickly the shutter lag can be up to around 10 seconds!!!

On numerous occasions I thought I'd taken a photo and while walking away it took a photo of my feet. Interestingly when I tried to post a factual but adverse review about the camera on Amazon it got deleted - apparently only nice reviews were allowed. Since then I treat Amazon reviews with a pinch of salt. I think some of them are written by PR and marketing departments pretending to be happy punters.

Reply to
David in Normandy

AIUI most half decent digital cameras still use manual shutters since the CCD can't fire up and down quick enough to take a picture of reasonable quality. So the CCD gets ready and then a manual shutter opens and closes as per usual. Take a look in the lens of your digital camera as it takes a picture if you don't believe me, you'll see a shutter move. Using a shutter in this way also allows the exposure and aperture to be controlled for DOF changes etc.. So the audible feedback you think is being artificially added is probably actually just the shutter.

I think you rarely get shutters in camera phones (which are more likely to use CMOS anyway I think), and in most cases the results are poor compared to a proper camera of a similar MP rating.

See above.. it's unavoidable!

Reply to
Ed Chilada

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