Elfin safety at B&Q

[The Medway Handyman]

I thought that as well. If its offered for sale, its for sale surely?

[Bill]

In message , Rob writes

I can certainly understand the need for some sort of testing on customer returns because you have no idea what the customer has done to the equipment while they have had it. I regularly buy returns from some of the large retail outlets that come through a local auction and some have certainly been "got at" I had a UPS recently that had the mains cabling trapped between 2 parts of the case, shorting live to chassis, this was picked up on an initial visual check. Ex display always worries me too as there is also the opportunity for people to have had a go at the kit, sometimes I believe managers will put returns on display rather than new units so the same problem as above.

If I was running the company I think that I would insist on some form of testing before either of the above were sold on. Probably the reason they end up in an auction, long may it continue too!!!

[Dave Liquorice]

And people who *would* sue B&Q if they bought the saw and cut a finger off, saying that there where no instructions supplied with the saw.

We a very nearly getting into the situation were if something isn't specifically excluded or warned about you can sue and win no matter how plainly stupid the acion was. Poodles and microwave ovens? I'm glad the lawyer and the grape case got thrown out.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Crikey. That gives Lidl a problem. And much of B&Q's stuff too.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

There is so much H&S drivel in instructions these days it's self defeating as very few indeed will bother to wade through it. The few truly pertinent points would be far more sensible.

[Dave Liquorice]

Waiver... B-)

IANAL either but that sentance gets the seller off any hooks as I read it. If the thing caught fire causing the house to burn down and the maker said the shop shouldn't have sold the "damaged" product...

[BigWallop]

To all health and safety conscious workers, remember this rhyme.

We used to be a happy bunch We stopped at noon to have our lunch A short break at 10 and again at 3 That used to be enough for me

Now I have to send a memo Get risk assessed and show a demo It normally takes right through the night To get permission to go for a pee.

I thangyoo. :-)

[Dave Liquorice]

"Invitation to treat". A seller marks a price. You make an offer (normally at the marked price but it doesn't have to be), the seller can accept or reject the offer, they are under no obligation to sell.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Some time ago I was filming on a large building site. We all had to have a half morning H&S lecture - same as all of their staff - before even being allowed in for the recce. And had to wear all their clobber - hi-vis, hard hats, boots, gloves and safety specs. And were informed only 110v was allowed on the site.

We filmed there on a Sunday when the site was closed...

[Bill]

In message , "Dave Plowman (News)" writes

I have been employed for 30 + years and in the last 5 - 10 it seems that as soon as some one spots a possible problem we have to have memos, instructions, orders to cover it, no matter how remote the possibility maybe. We had a driver that didn't fit a roof rack on an estate car properly and he lost the rack, complete with ladder on the M6! So rather than bollocking him and leaving it at that an instruction went out that all Co vehicles had to have the racks fitted permanently. So much for the fact that the rest of us had been fitting them for years without incident, we must now work to the lowest common denominator.

H&S MUST regard everyone as a blatant idiot.

I did a job for an H&S guy on a site a while back and he was beyond belief. I kid you not, he warned me to be careful about going through a door, not because there was a hazard on the other side but because there maybe some one coming the other way. WOW I wish I had thought of that. These people seem to live in a world of permanent death and destruction, how did the human race survive without them??

Rant over, yes I know we need H&S but it is getting beyond a joke.

[Tim S]

Dave Plowman (News) coughed up some electrons that declared:

That's impressive. When I went to a coal mine down under earlier this year, it was a half-hour video, which could be basically summed up as "wear the right togs, drink lots of water (it's hot) and don't get squashed by a 400 ton truck".

We were fully escorted though - and it certainly sharpens your sense of traffic awareness when a bloke's driving something the size of a small house around and the axles are level with your nose!

Cheers

Tim

[BigWallop]

LOL I like that one. :-)

We had a health and safety advisor at one of our AGM's, about four or five years ago, and I have found the actual tape of his little speech he made at the table afterwards. I think it says it all.

We used to be a happy bunch We stopped at noon to have our lunch A morning break at 10 AM And the afternoon at 3 That used to be enough, you see

Now we have to send a memo Get risk assessed and have a demo I've seen a meeting last all night To allow our staff to have a canteen on site

Because.

We used to be a happy bunch With a break at noon to have out lunch A morning break at 10 AM And the afternoon at 3 That used to be enough, you see

I thangyoo. :-)

[meow2222]

A big part of the problem is the absence of a power balance. What the safety man says goes, and its that simple. If there were the practical ability to say no you got that wrong and have someone else decide, the numerous flights of imagination they suffer would be curtailed somewhat. OTOH the slew of ignorant objections would take up a whole lot of time - there lies the problem.

NT

[Bob Eager]

Agreed. But a bit stupid to offer it in the first place if they weren't going to sell. I suspect that the refusal was an individual decision by someone who just wanted to feel important.

[Bob Eager]

Waive... :-))

[Dave Liquorice]

See my other post. It's an "invitation to treat", nothing more.

[Rod]

I have noticed that most (possibly all) electrical goods on display stands at John Lewis have their cables cut off. (I suspect this is portable devices and not every white good.) Pretty sure they didn't used to do that - even fairly recently. Anwyway, that would prevent anyone using it - and if sold accidentally I would expect the customer to complain. :-)

[meow2222]

Write 'waver' and the contract will be held void as it doesnt make sense. If its accepted and if the tool injures you you can still sue. However there are other issues with such a contract that make it worthless in reality, and few managers want to enter into murky contracts just for a quick sale of a low value item. A few might though.

NT

[NOSPAMnet]

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Also makes it less likely they will be stolen.