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Bob Eager wrote:

Got to say, I'm a vi man myself.

Ah, but the sublty of that one would be lost on the youth of today :-)
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Interestingly I've just been to the physiotherapist for a knee problem. She gave me a booklet about the best position to sit at a pc. My chair, keyboard and monitor positions are absolutely spot on.
So there
Mary

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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 08:34:00 +0000, Mike Barnes

Where do you put the processor box then ? If it is off the desk, then that makes access to the various optical drives, floppy, media readers, USB, etc, awkward.
I've been sitting in front of desktop workstations for longer than I care to recall. It cannot be a coincidence that all the early "professional" (ie non-Wintel) workstations were *all* neat, desktop devices just the right size to fit under the monitor. And to my mind, a monitor needs to be lifted up by about 3-4" for maximum viewing comfort. Otoh, even so-called desktop PC cases tend to be just tower cases on their sides and are big ugly things as a result. Granted most non-PCs are not designed especially for ease of access to internal components, but still, there should be a real market for decently designed kit. Witness the premium prices that ex-office Compaq SFF units fetch.
My ideal PC would be a laptop with additional external monitor, kb, mouse and loads of external connectivity but they are still (imho) way over-priced.
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In uk.d-i-y, John Laird wrote:

Under the desk (see <
http://www.thedowerhouse.com/mystudy.jpg - the box is to the right on the floor, with a blue light behind a glass front panel - you might need to scroll the picture a bit). CD drives I don't use that much but they're easy to get to, especially as they're at the top of the box. Floppies - once in a blue moon. Media readers - I use a small USB converter for CF cards, and I keep it in a drawer under the monitor. USB - there are two sockets in the keyboard case.

That was true of the very first IBM PC, too (see, for instance, <http://www.arcula.demon.co.uk/intl1.htm ). Of course the definition of "neat" has changed over the years. :-)

I like my eyes to be level with the top of the screen and my forearms to be about horizontal when using the keyboard and mouse. Here that translates to a 6" base plus the stand for the (19") monitor raised to maximum height - overall the bottom of the screen is 10" above the desk. This setup needs a height-adjustable office chair, set quite high, rather than a dining chair.

Agreed.
Historically they're dirt cheap (cheaper than the first PCs even before you take inflation into account), but towers are even dirtier cheaper. I think that that price differential will be with us for a good time yet.
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 14:22:40 +0000, John Laird

??? My primary machine is a mid-range Sony VAIO laptop, cost under 1K - a *little* more than comparably spec'd desktops (but of better build quality, IMO) -- more than offset by the convience of portabiliy :-)
I've been through many variations of the laptop-alone, laptop-with-docking-station, etc., and have settled on a somewhat D-I-Y arrangement of the laptop sitting on a purpose built, wedged shaped stand which puts the screen about 70cm away in my normal working position, with its centre about 3cm below a horizontal eye line. Obviously, I don't use the laptop's keyboard or touchpad in this setup -- I have a USB keyboard and USB mouse, plus a connections to the network, speakers, and external USB hard drive.
Unless you need to put lots of additional hardware or interfaces into a system, I would always go for a laptop these days; if the typical laptop screen size/resolution is insufficient, LCD monitors have an increasingly attractive price/performance ratio.
For desktop systems I always put the processor box (whether 'desktop' or 'tower' config) underneath the desk top (or underneath a different desktop). 'Desktop' form boxes, slung underneath a desk or table, are my preferred option -- as long as they don't impinge on knee-space, this gives the best combination of keeping the work space clear and being able to get at disc drives, etc. On systems w/ conventional (CRT) monitors, I typically use a 75mm "raiser" beneath the monitor to bring it up to convenient working height,
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The original personal computers had the keyboard built onto the motherboard, so there wasn't a lot of choice.

Only if you were very, very rich. A 5.25" floppy drive would cost about as much as the computer - more if you built it youself, as was quite common. The standard bulk storage device for most people for the first several years was a tape casette.
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Mike Barnes wrote:

OP gone from server so I'll follow up here...
I've just purchased a Hi-Grade Xperian. Totally awesome machine, takes up no space. Well worth considering for home/business.
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[snip]
Not entirely true the reason the Tower was brought about was because todays processors became extremly hot and air circulation in the desktop was prone to get very warm and space was needed to increase air circulation which a desktop does not have.
The 166 or 266 Processors would work quite happily without a fan.
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We hear that story, but I dont see how it can really be true. The volume of a desktop is equal to or in many cases greater than todays tower units. Also the air movement is done by fan, not by chimney effect, so from both points of view a tower really gains nothing in cooling.
As usual I think it was a very minor issue blown out of all proportion to encourage more sales of new puters.
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N. Thornton wrote in message ...

My processor packed up in the hottest part of last summer and the tower has plenty of ventilation.
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Was it over clocked or just a cheap fan.?
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Wellard wrote in message ...

Dunno, but the problem went away.
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stuart noble wrote:

Never mind the ventilation, check the Ny-ties. I forgot to snip the tail off one and when the self adhesive clip fell off (obviously didn't like being stuck the the warm PSU) the cable bundle dropped and the Ny-tie tail stuck in one of the CPU fans - the BIOS shut the PC down and when I restarted it the CPU temp was 104.5degC :-O It survived though :-)
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So what your saying is put a crowed of people in small room to the extent they can't move and the temp will stay the same.? Me think's not. G
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Well, Ive reread my post and I dont see any mention of that, nor implication of it. So I guess not.
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Tis the way it used to be.
As I can't put my monitor on the case anymore, it's currently on a couple of books (FWIW windows programming stuff that I no longer do, oops sorry, that should be Windows(TM) according to MS)
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:10:32 +0100, "tim"

I think after todays revelation everyones a Microsoft(TM) programmer aren't they! ..
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Lurch wrote:

Huh?
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he is referring to this:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/35547.html
My comment referred to:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/51/35479.html
tim

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tim wrote:

Hehe, I'd not seen that. Mind you, the source for Win98 has been round for a while (you don't need to be a programmer to understand this):
/* Microsoft(c) Project: Chicago(tm) Projected release-date: Summer 1994 */
#include "win31.h" #include "win95.h" #include "evenmore.h" #include "oldstuff.h" #include "billrulz.h" #define INSTALL HARD
char make_prog_look_big[1600000];
void main() { while(!CRASHED) { display_copyright_message(); display_bill_rules_message(); do_nothing_loop(); if (first_time_installation) { make_50_megabyte_swapfile(); do_nothing_loop(); totally_screw_up_HPFS_file_system(); search_and_destroy_the_rest_of_OS/2(); hang_system(); } write_something(anything); display_copyright_message(); do_nothing_loop(); do_some_stuff(); if (still_not_crashed) { display_copyright_message(); do_nothing_loop(); basically_run_windows_3.1(); do_nothing_loop(); do_nothing_loop(); } }
if (detect_cache()) disable_cache();
if (fast_cpu()) { set_wait_states(lots); set_mouse(speed, very_slow); set_mouse(action, jumpy); set_mouse(reaction, sometimes); }
/* printf("Welcome to Windows 3.11"); */ /* printf("Welcome to Windows 95"); */ printf("Welcome to Windows 98"); if (system_ok()) crash(to_dos_prompt); else system_memory = open("a:\swp0001.swp", O_CREATE);
while(something) { sleep(5); get_user_input(); sleep(5); act_on_user_input(); sleep(5); } create_general_protection_fault();

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