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[Doctor Evil]

Stop telling lies.

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[Stuart Noble]

It seems Lidl have a philosophy that you can bloody well pack your food in the car park rather than at the checkout. Stuff flies through at a rate of knots and ends up on the floor if you don't simply put it back in the trolley. I don't have a problem with that given that it probably halves their staff level.

I dropped Waitrose because of their spuds. A choice of a dozen types, all looking perfect but tasting foul. Lidls offer you a paper sack of whatever type they have that day, and the odd one might be rotten, but the rest taste like potatoes should.

[Andy Hall]

More likely because they do too little transaction and monetary volume to negotiate a good deal with the card companies.

[Tony Bryer]

Homebase beats Wickes hands down on presentation. Which do I prefer - no contest. Give me substance over style every time.

[Doctor Evil]

Aldi are rather big, as are the others.

[Andy Hall]

What nonsense. Why do you assume that people living on council estates don't buy wine and expect cheap food?

That is one hell of a put down.

More rubbish. The days when the term "working class" had any meaning have long gone, except perhaps in the pages of the Socialist Worker.

I am not sure that background has much to do with it. Morrison's had similar humble beginnings and have completely cocked up.

The issue is presenting the customer with choice. What the customer chooses has much more to do with disposable income how busy they are and whether they like a better quality product at more money than anything else.

More amazing nonsense presented as facts, you mean.

[Andy Hall]

Please explain what a "working class" and a "middle class" area is.

You seem to be stereotyping again.

[Andy Hall]

I wouldn't describe it as "present as flash", but I get your drift.

Pallets and packaging strewn all over the floor and left, surly staff and long checkout lines are not attractive to anybody.

[Andy Hall]

I am afraid I do.

Interesting. I only buy the waxy types anyway, but I have found similar things. Hence I tend to buy specific food types in specific supermarkets and note who has good and bad whatever.

[Andy Hall]

You think so? Homebase seems to be more expensive but offers a bit more choice. Wickes seems to have less choice but reasonably spaced out.

I like both.

There's no point in style without substance, but if I can get good products, well presented, then I go for that.

[Doctor Evil]

Do you want the staff to wear top hats and bow to you?

[Andy Hall]

Rubbish. They are tiny in the UK. What they do in other countries is a separate issue.

Share of UK Grocery Market: 12 weeks to April 24

Tesco 29.8% Asda 16.5% Sainsbury's 15.9% Morrisons/Safeway 12.2% Somerfield/Kwik Save 5.9% Co-ops 4.7% Waitrose 3.7% Aldi 2.2% Iceland 1.9% Lidl 1.8% Netto 0.7%

Source: TNS Superpanel

[Doctor Evil]

generalistic

Most don't drink wine, and hence the word generalistic. read on..

Not so. The wife get there and all tastes and prices are there for her. The products she is most interested in, cheap food, etc, are there, but she can browse other products aimed at high income groups.

I have read that we don't have a working class anymore. This is crap. What are the people in the south London sink estates? The aristocracy? People are renaming the working class. the same thing, another name.

A lot. he was more in tune with the type of person who would shop at Tesco. Many of working class origin, who became middle class.

Morrisons have cocked up? Please. they are one of the biggest. and bought out Safeway.

That is what Tesco did and still appealed to all the petty snobbery of the British under one roof. A miracle in the UK to do that.

..and also petty snobbery, in the rejection of Aldi, netto and Lidl.

[Doctor Evil]

working class group noun [S] (ALSO the working classes) a social group that consists of people who earn little money, often being paid only for the hours or days that they work, and who usually do physical work:

middle class group noun [S] (ALSO the middle classes) a social group that consists of well-educated people, such as doctors, lawyers, and teachers, who have good jobs and are neither very rich nor very poor:

The definitions failed to mention the snob divides between the two.

[Doctor Evil]

Netto, Lidl and Aldi have near 5% of the UK market, which is a considerable amount of business - and getting bigger by the week. They are also very big elsewhere.

[Doctor Evil]

They are not in the same markets. There is an overlap in some products, but few of them. Wickes is aimed towards the professional and occasional serious amateur. Hombase even has soft furnishing. Look at the level of women in Homebase compared to Wickes.

You are into petty snobbery and go to where the place is typical Little Middle England.

[dennis]

Just like most internet suppliers then?

[dennis]

I can't buy M&S stuff. It nearly all has so much fat that the doc has banned it.

Even their healthy stuff has >twice the fat of other shops.

[Andy Hall]

Nope

I just want to be able to buy good quality products in a clean environment, properly laid out, with choice and to be able to select and leave the store as quickly as possible.

You can bow to me and touch your forelock if you like.

[Andy Hall]

That is only marginally true. One does not see a lot of professional tradespeople in Wickes as compared with the traditional trade places.

So not only are you classist, but sexist as well.

I agree with you that Wickes and Homebase address a different customer base, albeit with overlaps, but 0/10 for your analysis.

Nope. I go for good quality products well presented. Period.