office window!!!!! See - thats what getting a second opinion does, what a
So I can basically run a black CAT5 cable WITH the sky cable , and put it
through the outside wall - straight into the office itself!!!, then have the
Access point IN the office itelf.. Admittedly, I could plug the PC staight into
the router with this cable, as the laptop doesn't have a problem with the
wireless signal downstairs, so not need a second access point at all...!! But if
I run 2 CAT5 cables, I have double RJ45 socket boxes, so could run 2 cables at
the same time...
Thanks all - more to think about!! You can guarantee that the hole in the wall
for the Sky cable won't be big enough for 2 Cat5 cables!!
Unless you've got (or can borrow) a crimping tool to add your own RJ45
plugs you'll need a made up cable. I needed a 16mm hole to get it
through, and even then the Belkin cables have "snagless" plugs which
have "wings" either side to stop the release catch, err, snagging on
things. I had to fold them over and hold them down with insulating tape
to get them through the hole.
If you did want to put the AP in the loft, then the simple way to do it
without needing to worry about power sockets etc. is using a couple of
power over ethernet (POE) adaptors. These plug into your cat5 at both
ends and carry the power for the AP over the cat5. At one end you
connect the PSU for the AP, at the other end you have a similar adaptor
that breaks out the power again.
(They work by using the two spare pairs in a normal cat5 that are not
used for data. If you were prepared to make up a custom cat5 cable then
you could make your own for next to nothing)
Lots of the usual culprits make them, see here for an example:-
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:42:52 GMT, firstname.lastname@example.org (Lurch) wrote:
I get the impression you're not a big fan of people doing things themselves,
I've enough confidence in my ability to wire up a socket in the loft without
burning the house down I think, but I was just confirming that I wasn't doing
anything illegal or stupid. The group is call uk.d-i-y after all ;-)
As for this thread, an external CAT5 will be the route I'll take, which negates
the need for that AP in the loft, leaving the lighting the only thing I need -
which should be fine running off the ceiling rose, through a 3A fused switch...
Cheers for your help though... sniff - whats that burning smell ;-)
cable from a ceiling rose to a switch in the loft then onto the
lights, no sockets or fuses in sight.
And I'm not against diy, I'm against people doing things wrong, be
they so called profesionals or diyer's
I'm exactly the same with computer users who don't know what they are doing
either, not having a go at you mate... We've just had a bunch of users in one of
our offices get infected with Doom because they didn't want to reboot their PC's
to get the latest virus update, because they like the windows where they are...
Only just found this group, and already learned something though - so won't be
making the loft mistake again ;-)
upgraded their circa 1985 serial network affair to a multisite logon
into a terminal server at the HO. Only trouble is no-one wants to do
what we tell them. The most annoying problem we have is the person who
keeps unplugging the ADSL link at the HO to plug their laptop modem in
thus dropping all remote sessions on the server. For weeks they've
been denying they do this so we've been scratching our heads a bit!
But last week I saw them unplug it!! Can't see the owner of the firm
being too happy when we send in the invoice for numerous callouts,
phone calls, and having BT and the ISP people involved as well.
LOL - we had almost the same issue with an ISDN line at a bank - our systems
were failing to dialup to a bank, and we'd call IT there, and they'd fix it - ,
be fine for a while, then it would happen again a day later. We found out
subsequently that they only had 1 free ISDN line, so would swap it between 2
service providers until they got a support call from us or them, and then swap
it back... went on for weeks like that!
Oh yes, the first fault they had at this office was before the
terminal server was installed I had set them up on the new machines
purely for file and print sharing as some of them had this already, (I
say some, 4 out of 23), the morning after I had set this up I walk
into the office to cries of "I can't print" and "I can't log into
sage" and such comments. Upon investigation some-one had turned off
the power to the server that was running the DHCP services, the hub
and all other computer related equipment in the entire building on
their way out in the evening, just as they had done every night for
the past 15-20 years apparently!!
I could go on, but basically they are clueless when it comes to
computers, it's quite a trauma when I hear I have to go up to their
office for some reason or another. There's something every other day!!
The TV cable will probably have been laid on the wall then channel
nailed over the top, so unlikely to pull out.
Prior to CAT5 and RJ45 they used a 50 Ohm coax system for 10Mb LAN's.
You might be able to pick up a couple of cheap routers which support
both systems, then use the TV coax to link them. Although the TV cable
is not really suitable, there would be no problems doing this over such
a short distance.
Another way would be to drop a CAT5 down in the cavity wall, assuming
you have no insulation in there and there are no windows blocking the
intended path. It will not be easy fishing it through though, without
taking a brick out at the ground floor.
Try the following, before removing a brick... Start by drilling a hole
then feeding something steel through on the end of a long peiece of
string. then try fishing for it with a magnet on the the end of another
long piece of string..... You might just be lucky.
It will probably be of no use to you but if you have an internal boxed-in
soil stack and you can get from the lounge to the soil stack, you may be
able to use this as a route to the loft. I've certainly been able to drop a
weighted string down alongside my soil stack for a similar purpose.
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