Buy to lets

[tony sayer]

No .. our mob live right out in the sticks, and its the lack of !!Stress!! that permits them such long lives..

Everything is done slow, slower, very slow.. and tomorrow's another day;))

[tony sayer]

In article , Dave Plowman (News) scribeth thus

Yes very obvious Dave, but the principle is the point;!...

[Clive George]

Well, that's just obviously complete and utter tosh. Trivially easy to demonstrate that it is so - if the smoky atmosphere in a pub caused somebody to so much as cough, it's evidence of a health risk.

clive

[Doctor Drivel]

BOLLOCKS!!! Get your nicotine addiction sorted and stop acting the prat!!

[Derek Geldard]

There probably are.

But I've seen nothing to indicate that the risks are out of proportion to other low grade occupational hazards such as "Baker's Itch", "Glassblower's eye", "Fiddler's Elbow" etc.

These are all issues can and should be addressed in a simple way which is proportionate to the hazard.

It is the confabulation of Carcinoma of the Bronchus which is invariably fatal and caused by smoking, with minor irritation caused by exposure to passive cigarette smoke at a tiny fraction of the dose (and also when the smoke has cooled down).

DG

[tony sayer]

A wizened old journalist once told me that if you believe 60% of what you hear and 40% of what you read.. Then you'll be well informed;)...

[Maria]

Some health people Mersey are currently campaigning for a smoking ban in the home.

places in California, a smoking ban has been implemented in apartment blocks. People support this because they think it would be a good thing if other people give up smoking. Smoking supporter or not, this is a dangerous precedent to set IMV.

The original plan was to exempt private clubs and that kind of thing - that was overturned by protests from the BMA. If everyone who is working or socialising within the smoking area is consenting, what is wrong with that?

If you have a private club, where members may democratically vote on such matters, or even a cafe which is dedicated to the practise of smoking, why should these not be exempted? Ths is not a matter of protecting people from second-hand smoke - it is a matter of controlling people, just the kind of micromanagement of people that New Liebour loves and will implement further if given half a chance.

[Owain]

I thought there is an exemption for specialist shops selling smokers' requisits.

Owain

[Andy Hall]

it comes back to the original point - do what you like as long as it doesn't impact on the equal right to do so of others. There isn't a justification to exclude children from that. However, enforceability is another thing.

I agree, and if that is the argument, it's not a reasonable one. It is reasonable if the smoke permeates to other apartments and common areas.

Indeed - but if one is not, it fails the test.

For a private club, perhaps, perhaps not. There are practical difficulties though. For example, people not being able to join if they don't like the smoke. If one runs that argument, then have a club that excludes women and non-white people. The situation becomes quite awkward.

That's something else again

[The Medway Handyman]

> In places in California, a smoking ban has been implemented in

Hear, hear. New Liebour is history for me.

[The Medway Handyman]

But what is wrong with a private club deciding that it doesn't want non-white, or white, women or men, smokers or non smokers?

Why should I not be able to start a white smoking men only club if I want too? Or a non-white, non smoking, womans club?

New Liebour seems to fund black paraplegic lesbian theatre workshops? Discrimination is relative.

[The Medway Handyman]

I think I've just won that point.

[The Medway Handyman]

Obviously complete and utter tosh? Give me some scientific study that back up your claim. The BMA & Guvmint can't.

A clue. Coughs can be triggered by many things. Non smokers also cough.

Give me the credible scientific evidence and I'll fall over & retract my opinion - oh but you can't can you?

[Dave Plowman (News)]

The 'residue' of your pleasure 'ina' pub appears to be brain stem damage. Common with alcoholics. Stop before it kills you.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

So what would be the difference if there were an outbuilding at a pub for smokers only? Or a members only club for smokers? The fact that this isn't allowed is pure malice. Yet prisoners can smoke indoors as can some in patients of hospitals.

[Andy Hall]

I wasn't really commenting on whether or not it was a good idea, only that there can be implications going beyond th e immediate intention.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Wasn't it a 'free' vote?

[geoff]

In message , Andy Hall writes

I don't think so

The argument goes "This is what we do , feel free to join if you accept it"

Its only an exclusion as far as people exclude themselves because they are not in agreement with what members do.

[Owain]

Yes, you'd probably have to call it a mosque to get round the law.

Owain

[geoff]

In message , Maria writes

I'm only abusive in cyberspace