Boiler Scrappage scheme

[YAPH]

Interesting choice of boiler illustrating article.

contest, anyone? ;-)

[Graham.]

Doesn't look that old to my untrained eye.

[Dave Starling]

That Potterton isn't G rated. Its just stock video they are using in the news piece. I can't see what the other boiler is but again I doubt its G rated. Any G rated boiler would be a floor standing beast with a big old lump of cast iron as the heat exchanger.

Now the question is how are they going to police the scheme to stop someone calling up and fibbing as to which boiler they currently have. Once its been replaced its too late unless they require you to keep the old databadge as proof. Somehow I doubt they are that bothered.

Dave.

[Tim..]

That Potterton isn't G rated. Its just stock video they are using in the news piece. I can't see what the other boiler is but again I doubt its G rated. Any G rated boiler would be a floor standing beast with a big old lump of cast iron as the heat exchanger.

Now the question is how are they going to police the scheme to stop someone calling up and fibbing as to which boiler they currently have. Once its been replaced its too late unless they require you to keep the old databadge as proof. Somehow I doubt they are that bothered.

To the panel: In the farmhouse we have a circa 1970 Potterton sectional cast iron oil fired boiler. It now has a Inter by (Bentone) burner fitted. At the last service the engineer did the flue readings with his whizzo tool. Result was it was running at 93% efficiency.

We also have an all singing all dancing 3 yr old W-B which when sniffed came out at 91% effic. which surprised me.

So, is the Potterton past its sell by date??

Tim..

[cynic]

old to my untrained eye.

Potterton BOA with inbuilt draught diverter flap at the rear of the flue offtake? All too many service "engineers" fall into the trap of taking flue gas temperature readings from the flue after the introduction of cooling dilution air. Regardless of what burner you have I'd be astounded if you actually had anything approaching 80% true efficiency from that model. The Inter-oil burner is a decent model but it can't do the impossible. Now as to whether its worth changing such a reliable boiler is another matter entirely and you can bet the swappage schem will require installation by an authorised installer whose prices will negate the advantage.

[Tim..]

Pottert Tim.

[cynic]

The cold air is still mixed with the flue gases at that point unless a long probe is used, I used to cover the flap during the temperature measuring period. There is also the matter of dwell time to allow the temperature probe to stabilise even with correct immersion in the flue gases. My electroninc analyser could take up to 3 or 4 minutes before it stabilised. Oddly enough the old dial thermometer in conjunction with a Fyrite wet CO2 analyser and slide rule was quicker and I felt more reliable.

[Andrew Gabriel]

Also, was the boiler fully up to temperature? If it's still cold, you'll get amazing efficiency reported;-)

[YAPH]

It's not, but it's notoriously unreliable, to the extent that it (and its manufacturer, Potterton) has even featured on "Watchdog". So, not a candidate for the scrappage scheme but, given the above, and combined with the choice of that model by some BBC hack (maybe one of its victims?) to illustrate the scheme, possibly a candidate for the humorous attentions of the uk.d-i-y posseee.

Or not, maybe :-|

[geoff]

In message , YAPH writes

never seen one of those before in my life

[Les Desser]

In article , YAPH Tue, 5 Jan 2010 07:36:57 writes

Does the fitter have to be registered with the scheme or can any fitter participate?

According to the web site I found cheques should start rolling within the next two weeks or so!

[ARWadsworth]

suggests that you can use any installer.

Now how will this be policed. Random spot checks on applicants?

Adam

[Les Desser]

In article , ARWadsworth Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:32:30 writes

Vary slow to load .... [*]

The Energy Saving Trust seems to be the one running the scheme

Quote:

Who can carry out the installation of your new boiler?

Installation of a gas or oil boiler must be carried out by an installer registered with a competent person's scheme (such as GasSafe or OFTEC). Installation of a microgeneration technology must be carried out by a person qualified under the Microgeneration Certification Scheme.

. . [*] still waiting ....

[ARWadsworth]

Give them chance. It did not work at all for two days after the scheme was launched:-)

Both sites suggests any GasSafe installer can install a gas boiler and the householder can claim back £400. I cannot see a list of approved installers.

Adam

[Les Desser]

In article , ARWadsworth Thu, 7 Jan 2010 17:28:57 writes

Is "GasSafe" the new name for "CORGI"?

[Tim W]

Les Desser wibbled on Thursday 07 January 2010 21:30

Yes. Only happened a short while back.

[YAPH]

No, what happened was ... oh, I CBA, but I've written about it here

keep up at the back ;-)

[Les Desser]

In article , YAPH Fri, 8 Jan 2010 01:15:46 writes

Thanks Tim for the Yes and thanks John for the No

I understand exactly what you both mean :)