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It is rip off when the service rendered is not commensurate with the service given, as is the case with BG who are not operating in the way required to achieve a successful service business.
They are promising and charging long and delivering short simply because their culture and mentality remains that of the public sector.

This is, of course, total nonsense. The notion that the cake is of a fixed size is fundamentally flawed as that which says if some get more, others must therefore get less.
Generally it is the efforts of the few which enlarge the cake for all concerned.
You may not like the situation that others have or get more than you. I'm sorry about that, but it is one of the effects of capitalism.

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Anyone who anything about BG will tell you different. It has been privatised for 20 years now. The service side had so called experts from the private sector brought in to sort it out. What they meant was provide greater profit for little outlay. Service levels were alien to them.
The culture at BG, and other privatised industries is firmly a private let's rip em off culture.

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In your mind maybe.

No. it is the hard work of the many that make matters work for all.

Oh my God!! The old one out of the sleeve. I criticise greed, incompetence, a flawed system giving privilege to a chosen few, etc, so I must be jealous in some way because I am not a part of the rip off. Grow up please. Some people have intelligence and some morality too. And can see things as they are.
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I know them from the perspective of being a customer. That is what counts.

Bringing in management consultants is a disease of both the public and the private sectors. It is symptomatic of situations where the management of the organisation has no clue and wants to have somebody to blame if something goes wrong. There is nothing wrong with consultants in principle - the skill is finding the right ones, and those people will probably not tell you what you want to hear.

Private ownership does not equate to ripping off. Industries that have always been in the private sector do not generally have this difficulty. The problem seems to be largely among those who were in the state sector and have not been able to make the transition into the private sector because middle management does not have the commercial skills to deliver on the customer's requirements.

It is the hard work of all concerned, including those who are running the organisation.

It's interesting to note that capitalism in its many forms has operated successfully since the dawn of time and across multiple civilisations. Socialism is the failed experiment of the 20th century, which hopefully will not be repeated in the 21st.
This is not an issue of morality, but just an understanding of the natural scheme of things - the survival of the fittest.

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Successfully? Have another look.

The Soviet method you mean. This is like saying that Christianity is useless because of the Spanish Inquisition or factions of it are killing each other in Northern Ireland. The teachings of Marks are sound.
Overt right wing countries based on capitalist greed underperformed and have a large section of the community grovelling poor.
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As in Marks and Spencer? Presumably this involves St. Michael as well..
So capitalism is the right way........ .andy
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Was that Marks as in Marks and Spencer or Marx as in Karl Marx?
The problem in the teachings of the latter is that there are always people who are more equal than others as Orwell said.
If you meant the former, you can always get a nice sandwich

Extremes in either direction, I think you mean
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The key word here is privat*ised*. Many such are run by people who are trying to outdo what they *think* is the private sector ethos. They are wrong.
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So you get better service and cheaper prices from Asda than the Coop?
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An American friend's definition of the USA was "350 million people motivated by greed". The results are impressive. They have a population with a work ethic from childhood. They still have a democracy that works, we sadly don't! Their local and national politicians are much more responsive to the electorate than ours and know they are expendable. The people also respect success, want to know how to achieve it and don't descend into envy, which sadly is always the case here. They unfortunately have not yet achieved the UK's biggest success, the NHS (with most of it's faults being caused by political interference). Regards Capitol
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On Fri, 2 Jan 2004 22:56:13 -0000, "Capitol"

On those points I'd broadly agree.

On this one, I wouldn't. It is a system that is at least 30 years past its sell-by date, and like all dinosaurs will become extinct. Sadly, a lot of our money will be wasted on discovering that because politicians don't have the balls to do the right thing which is to shut it down and start again with an arrangement suitable for the 21st century and not the middle of the 20th.

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The NHS is fab.
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Riiiight.........
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So say the (not very) small army of pen pushers who are being 'employed' in this ever-increasingly overstaffed public service. It's all very well increasing the amount of money being spent on it, but unless we have something to export how is it going to be paid for ? - not by issuing Gilts, since that is a tax on future generations. (Council tax up another 800% anyone). How many of you have heard of Mr Grainger ??. He is the NHS IT 'guru' appointed by T Bliar on a salary of 250,000 and he is dishing out IT contracts that are going to cost us over 4 BILLION - for computers would you believe. In doing so he is scrapping all the existing IT systems that have been developed over the last 30-odd years, and buying in the usual American Dross. The details of these contracts have been almost covered by the official secrets act, such is their determination to prevent any form of public scrutiny. Can you imagine the government deciding to allow Heathrow T5 without any independent scrutiny ??.
What the NHS needs is to spend 4 billion on basic repairs, and buying new MEDICAL equipment.
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I can agree with this, if you go to an american gp, the practice likely has it's own blood testing facility and maybe it's own cat scan! I was very surprised to find a cat scan facility in the local shopping area last year, with a cost of $500 for a complete cat scan. Regards Capitol
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One of my colleagues was told he had a 6 month wait for an appointment for a cat scan, but he could have it done the NEXT DAY at THE SAME PLACE if he paid ~300
a) this is extortion / blackmail courtesy of the NHS
b) it turned out he had cancer in the spine, and a mutual friend says he`ll be lucky to make it to March...
Now, looking at (b) - he would still not have had the scan from the NHS, so the only treatment by then would be "here are some painkillers, go home and die"
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Certainly it is in the context of the way the NHS is set up to operate. It is the notion that treatment should be free of charge at the point of delivery that is wrong. In other countries with socialised medicine, it is normal to pay something for treatment. For example, I was somewhat surprised to learn from a friend in Sweden that one pays to visit the GP.

Very sadly, it doesn't seem as though the prognosis would have been different. What is wrong about state provided healthcare is that the state gets to decide on the policy regarding who gets treatment and who does not and that appears to be based on a perception of the individual's value to society by virtue of their age and health record. I don't like the notion of the state playing God in this way.
There is something very wrong with a system where I, and my company pay large sums of money into a black hole and receive no level of service for it, such that I then have to pay again for private health cover in order to obtain something close to a usable level of service.
I can accept that in a civilised society there needs to be a safety net for those who cannot afford to pay for their own healthcare. For the majority, I am sure that they would receive better treatment by making their own arrangements and not paying 20% of gross income to the government to do it for them.
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What I find very disturbing is that those people who can afford that, and attempt to do so, are instantly penalised. If your employer provides discounted (or free) BUPA health care then you get taxed on it as a benefit-in-kind.
So if you look at this logically, you subscribe to an insurance scheme which is going to remove quite a lot of your dependency on the NHS for any non-trivial medical problem which arises for you and probably your family. And you get awarded a larger tax bill as a result of your personal generosity towards the state.
Neat.
Whilst I probably wouldn't go so far as to give people a discount on their NI bill for taking out insurance I would remove the fiasco of placing a tax on top of their insurance premium.
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It's actually worse than that.
There is an insurance tax on the premium.
The employee pays tax on the premium as a benefit in kind in effect at their highest marginal rate.
They pay national insurance on the benefit in kind.
The employer pays national insurance on the benefit in kind.

This is why a voucher system makes eminent sense.
It provides a safety net for those unable to make their own provision, ensures that those who would not otherwise actually do and for those who wish to contribute more to their healthcare can do so and get something for it. This could be achieved with far less administration than is currently used in managing benefits and the resources spent on actual health provision.
Primary and secondary education should be treated similarly.

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A low fee in most cases. This prevents the hypochondriacs from cluttering the surgeries.
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They have shocking poverty in parts.
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