Dear me. So you haven't met a lawyer? ;-)
"M'lud, my client had full expectation of being able to publish a collection of his thoughts until XYZ Ltd made them available to a much wider public than those few souls who read the specialist news group uk.d-i-y. Through their turpitude he now has no means of obtaining the pension to see him through the remaining winters of his later years."
;-)
So glad you agree with me :-).
We seem to be in total agreement.
Phil
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But *every* NNTP server is doing the self same thing, with the knowledge of the contributor! No doubt that a silkily spoken lawyer could convince a punter that they could make a case, heck that happens in just about each and every court case, but that doesn't mean they will win and that costs could well be awarded against the complainant...
Think about the analogy between telephone exchanges and nntp servers.
Phil
I tend to agree. No doubt they are getting stick right now from AS.
complete feed, though it is going so slow I can't be sure. It does not filter out specific posts to embed in catalogue pages as did AS.
Ads that pop up around a 'complete' newsfeed are the opposite of what AS (or CCP) did, and are reasonably innocuous.
NB. I am referring to the catalogue pages of AS that I first pointed out, not the (ex) feed on their front page.
Phil
An acknowledgement does *not* mean they are not breaking copyright. Do you think you could publish a Harry Potter novel and get away with it just by putting a copyright acknowledgement in your bootleg copy?
No, they are incorporating our text into their web pages, creating a new work for their commercial gain and implying uk.diy's endorsement of their company.
A usenet server is merely propagating and archiving usenet groups in a way intended by people who post to usenet (although the possible confusion of "Google Groups" and Usenet does cause me some concern).
Owain
And within the limitations of educational use, comment and review, etc.
Owain
One incorporating a generous discount code you mean :-)
Owain
Of course there has been. If the knowledgeable people here were commissioned to write an article for Avenue Supplies' website, they would expect to be paid for it at normal commercial rates.
Perhaps the writers and maintainers of the FAQs, in particular, should think about copyright statements on the FAQs, possibly releasing them under something like creative commons licences?
Owain
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Oh, right, so telephone exchanges store the conversations that pass through them and then pass those self same conversations onto any telephone exchange that asks for a feed from them - I think not!
Yes. It seems to be in broad agreement with most of it's peers. Perhaps you need the advanced version, not the pocket one.
John Schmitt
| | What don't you understand about nntp and Usenet etc.?... :~( | | The fact is, they are NOT breaking copyright (as they acknowledge | copyright), they are just accessing a PUBLIC news feed - just as any | ISP, Google, or any 'Usenet server' does and what's more the first | and last often charge people...
The fact that I have posted this on uk.d-i-y does not invalidate my copyright. I may choose not to enforce that copyright against newsservers which act reasonably, but using posts for commercial purposes is a different ball game.
| All Avenue Supplies are doing is taking that public news feed and | placing it within a HTML web page - just as Google etc. do.
But I post from Google groups on occasion. Last Saturday was the last time.
They publish it in a newsgroup - as long as it stays in that newsgroup it hasn't been republished, regardless of which server it is made available from. Or are you going to say that bookshops republish books because they have different copies in different places?
You said it's OK to copy something as long as you acknowledge the copyright holder - this is nonsense, of course.
I don't think he understands - flogging a dead horse here, I reckon.
Perhaps, though you might well do it to improve your own name recognition. You can argue that Avenue are exploiting the members of this group, but equally they may well be bringing its existence to people who previously didn't know about it.
The other user I quoted, the Laminate Flooring forum, is also using this group: if you look at the top of the page they carry Google ads and get paid by Google for doing so. People only go to that page because of what we have written.
Burn them!
So the recent news items in the media on world-wide discussions about how long (not if) to store telephone conversions totally escaped your notice. The term Echelon won't mean much to you either.
However, you do seem to have a single-minded grasp of the four letters nntp, but do you actually know what they stand for? (no cheating now, tell us without googling for it).
Phil
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