Any RF experts about?

I've just been fitting TV aerials in two new houses - one a relative and the other their new neighbour who saw what I was up to and wanted theirs done too, for a few beer tokens..

Both jobs took longer than expected. The first was because the darling builders had managed to get both the coax downleads to have whiskers of braid wrapped round the core in the fitted TV/FM/SAT1+2/Return/Phone socket in the living room. (This is quite nice, incidentally - two downleads feed Sat2 and triplexed Sat1/TV/FM to 2x F connectors and two UHF sockets on the twin faceplate, then a return lead takes your Sky+/ Cable/PVR UHF output back up to a bedroiom socket).

The second time, I was ready for the braid to be all over the place and sorted that out first. Then I tried every combination going (on my own, up and loftground floor in a 3 storey house loads of times) but nothing I tried got a good signal. With my dying gasp I suspected whoever wired it up was even worse than before and tried the 'return' cable, just on the off chance. That was it.

Anyway, on to the point of the post ;-)

While looking for possible failure points, I checked out the (new) aerial closely. The only electrical connections were to two alloy 'horns' near the back which I guess the signal is focussed onto. Or rather, the connections were to a small PCB inside the plastic box the horns came out of. The horns were supposedly attached to the core of the coax by having the PCB screwed down onto them - however the large contact pads that would have touched them was still solidly covered in the non-conductive varnish, and the screws went through the non-plated holes without joining the two together electrically.

I measured to be sure - yup, no continuity. So I scraped some of the varnish off and got a

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PCPaul
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x-posted to uk.tech.digital-tv. Some aerial people there.

Andy

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Andy Champ

It probably would have worked reasonably OK with just the capacitive coupling through the varnish, but this won't be a design feature so you were right to scrape it off and get a solid DC contact.

On a similar note, yesterday I re-lamped the display cabinets in the lounge, and I appeared to have a fault with one of the fittings, then I realised the new filament strip-light has a varnish or flux deposit on the solder contacts that needed scraping off. I also have seen the same thing on high wattage flood-light lamps.

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Graham.

PCPaul wrote on 30/04/2009 :

The signal will capacitively couple it through the insulation, but you will get a slightly better signal with the insulation scraped away. What you are looking at is a folded dipole, if it forms a flattened loop.

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Harry Bloomfield

What make was it?. Wouldn't have been lightning protection anything like that is akin to pissing on a nuclear explosion let alone a house fire;!...

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tony sayer

Obviously. They always do.

They do this half the time, because it's a 50/50 chance. You just get used to it. We work on the assumption that everything will be wrong. This is usually justified.

Some years ago we did a job where the wallplate was incorporated into a fancy 'media plate' which incorporated mains, phone, and TV. These plates were a nightmare to remove and a double nightmare to refit. It was part of the sparks' job to do the aerial/satellite cables. When I went round testing the first one was wired the wrong way round, so I took it off the wall, corrected it, and put it back. This took about 20 minutes! The next one was OK but the next one wasn't. So I put a piece of black tape on it as a marker and moved on. Finally I emailed the sparks to tell them to swap round the cables to about thirty plates. This they agreed to do. But when people started to move in we got a call from someone saying 'no telly' so I went out and sure enough the cables were still the wrong way round. So I passed it back to the sparks, and all further calls to that development were refused until they had been out and tried swapping the cables round.

On the same job we had strongly advised the fitting of two sat feeds to each dwelling, but the builder wouldn't pay the extra few quid. Even now we get calls from there about Sky+.

The mention of 'horns' makes me visualise a DIY or European 'high gain' aerial which will undoubtedly be wideband.

No, it's just a shit design.

Doubt it really.

No.

No, deffo not lightning protection.

The actual real world beating aerial experts live there actually.

Bill

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Bill Wright

So half a mil of varnish is going impede a lightning bolt that can travel through thousands of meters of air (quite a good insulator - look at all those 440kV grid cables).

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R. Mark Clayton

In article , R. Mark Clayton scribeth thus

400 kV so I'm told ;).

Or read..

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Reply to
tony sayer

On Fri, 1 May 2009 10:47:20 +0100 someone who may be tony sayer wrote this:-

Between phases, in the UK.

440kV is a voltage used elsewhere though.
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David Hansen

It's odd, because upto the time of the supergrid all distribution voltages in the UK were divisible by 11. (440v, 11kV, 33kV, 132kV, 275kV)

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charles

In article , David Hansen scribeth thus

They use a lot of different voltages elsewhere .. up to 900 kV DC somewhere IIRC...

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tony sayer

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