A funny thing happened to me on the way to Norwich...

[Andy Champ]

Two tons isn't *that* much for a big car. In fact a Defender 110 is about three tons...

Andy

[Appin]

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I know -- I have a 110 Station Wagon. And one of my sons has another. However we're talking about point loading here and if you look at the way the engine's mounted in a 110, it's a long way back. Fit an electric fan to a 2.5 litre model and remove the viscous fan and shroud and there's almost space to stand between the radiator and the engine :-). The V8s are light alloy blocks. That 440 was a lump of cast iron which entirely filled the massive engine bay and a large proportion of the weight of the car was actually on the front wheels. And the driveway was a North American effort which amounted to just a few inches of asphalt laid on the ground without any hardcore or anything underneath :-(

[The Natural Philosopher]

Bullshit, Its two. At the most..

[Andy Champ]

Really? Perhaps I've misunderstood the spec. but it looks like 3050Kg to me. Where do you get your figures?

Andy

[Roger]

The message from Andy Champ contains these words:

Perhaps you have. Looking at a manual I have for a early 80s Range Rover the specification there gives the "Gross vehicle weight" as 2504 kg but that is made up of kerb weight of 1723 kg plus maximum vehicle payload of 780 kg.

I would be amazed if the modern Defender weighed in at nearly twice the weight of a 25 year old Range Rover.

[The Natural Philosopher]

IIRC mine was about 2 tons unladen, and could take another ton in the back.

I did that once..bricks..it was OK, but not fun to drive.

[Appin]

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[Roger]

The message from Appin contains these words:

they don't bother to quote kerb weight anymore. Very misleading. One doesn't routinely drive around with a ton of hardcore in the back even in a Land Rover.

[Appin]

The message from Roger contains these words:

So they don't bother to quote kerb weight anymore. Very misleading. One

All tied in with towing regulations, I think. Of course a 12 seater LandRover is now a bit of a rarity -- can't be driven on a car licence for those who've passed the driving test in recent years -- need a PCV licence in that case. But if you're a wrinkly or have the relevant towing licence you can tow more with a LandRover than with most similar-sized vehicles.

[Appin]

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Is that "rite?" :-)

[Appin]

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I didn't imagine you do.

[The Natural Philosopher]

thats max all up weight allowed, and it states elsewhere it has a payload of 1524 kg. So its about a two tons less a bit, empty.

[Bob Eager]

Eh? They quote GVW and KW on that site. Try the 'Capabilities' link on the left...

[Roger]

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It was late and I just scrolled down the link wondering where the hell the information on weight was. Now if the link had been to capabilities rather than specifications I might have noticed the other information.

[Bob Eager]

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'Capabilities' is a strange heading for something like GVW anyway!

[geoff]

In message , The Natural Philosopher writes

I certainly did

How did I get that wrong ?

(on diet, off the piss ATM - no excuse)

I suspect you meant "meant" as well ...

[Appin]

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Ideal town vehicle. Exempt from London Congestion Charge (on request). Can use bus lanes (12 seats, after all)!

Fitted with tree sliders is immune from parking dents. In fact when you slide into a parking bay next to a car with a driver inside, the other car very often edges off sharpish :-).

[Andy Champ]

I do seem to have that wrong. So you can have a "riteous" glow all evening.

Andy

[The Natural Philosopher]

Not big deal, just putting the record straight. A 3.5 ton truck is IIRC the largest you can drive on a standard license. And its no mean beast either..next step up from a luton bodied transit...not sure if thats carrying capacity tho.

My bloody camper tho..that feels like 3.5 tons allright.

[Bob Mannix]

7.5 tonne actually. There is usually an age restriction on hiring such vehicles though (eg minimum age 27 for Rabbit vehicle hire 7.5 tonne trucks). "C1" on the licence covers up to 7.5 tonne. I don't know, and didn't check when I had one recently, but I suspect that that is 7.5 tonne GVW, so a lot less empty.