People voted brexit for a variety of reasons. Various were discussed in forums, newsgroups etc. And you could just as well say any of those issues swung the vote - they all did. I'm not so sure what media concentrating on something really means.
NT
It means that the wankerati have an agenda they are either not conscious of, or not telling you.
And mostly shown to be lies or gross exaggeration. Or just pure prejudice.
Sort of talking to everyone yourself, it's the closest you'll get. Pretty well all the vox pops in the old industrial areas of the UK which now have high unemployment blamed the EU and immigration as the main reasons for their plight.
no, it's not at all.
Ie what the media showed you. So what.
NT
Strange wasn't it I wonder why the don't want immigration or want to reduce it.
Many of those who 'don't want immigration (and voted Leave because of it) simply don't want 'foreigners' in *their* country. What they don't understand is that it isn't *their* country it's *our* country and there many of us who are far more open minded / and happy to mix with other cultures.
The next layer of people don't mind *some* 'foreigners' but they don't like others (or various nationalities or even colours, even if they were actually born in England).
The next layer might actually generally accept *all* 'foreigners' but would still vote Leave because of 'all those' who are 'taking homes, jobs, healthcare and welfare' away from 'English people' (ignoring the fact that there may be far fewer doing that than contributing).
Another layer would be those who don't want particular religious practiced in 'this country, so no 'Muslims' should be allowed here for example, or the wearing of any clothing that is part of that (like the Burka).
Then it's just 'those foreigners' who seem to cause trouble (ignoring any natives who cause trouble for some reason).
Then there are those who just don't like the ghettoisation by any non-native people (but are happy with native people doing the same, like 'inner Londoners' moving out into to certain places in the country). Not like we do in Spain or anything.
And you have those who don't generally like 'foreigners', except any of those they have bothered to take the time to talk to and find (in general) that they are just ordinary people trying to do the best from themselves and their families.
I have often found that when walking along the pavement and coming across someone who may be a different colour to me, if I smile at them and say 'morning' or 'alright (as I generally would anyone) I nearly always get a smile or reply in return. I do so partly because that's just what I'm like and partly because, like young people with old, I want to make it clear I have nothing against them (the number of times our daughter has smiled or said 'hello' to an elderly person in passing (or holding a door open etc) and then have completely blanked her).
When I have actually talked to people about what they call 'foreigners' ... most people will often refine their more blanket attitude and refine it to one (or more) of the points above. If you then explain the position from the 'foreigners' POV, some then modify their previously hard-line views even further (often referencing all the 'foreigners' they know or have worked with and saying how nice they were).
I have spoken to many people who have traveled round the world (typically on motorcycles) and they have *all* said how welcoming and generous 99.9% of the people they met were, often when they had very little themselves.
The other .1% were probably just bad people anyway or also 'disliked foreigners' for some / no reason.
Cheers, T i m
and many more wanted immigration controlled.
I agree but there are some that don't agree with every culture that is pres ent in the UK, and don't want to have to follow that culture.
You also have to realise that some don't like the culture or the way the pe rson acts behaves and that is down to culture rather than colour, but like with wasps bees and other animals sometiome the colour or dress indicates t he type of person you are. So you need to be able to tell these people apar t.
But those people should also know that the govenrment can't count. So most people that have a brain will use their own eyes and expeience to j udge rather than govenment stats.
That sounds more like France to me.
How do you tell teh natives from the others ?
Threr are tgose that dontl; see anyhting wrong in selling their home in one country and moving to another and buying a home their. What these people might see as wrong is where you give up your home in one country and get given a home in another country, when residetn of that coun try can't afford homes of their own, and this applies to the natives and th ose that have been in the UK for 20+ years and have worked and paid taxes f or 20+ years.
and those that import 'foreigners' because they really like them, chea[p la bour cheap sex or even slavery or prostitition. companies emploing 'foreigners' because it;s cheaper than employing those a lready in teh country whether 'foreigners' or not.
You haven't done it much then have you.
Only the English do that is that what you are saying. you also seem very transfixed on colour perhaps those your daughter talked to were white but NOT English but Polish.
This is true but this is because of the way you are counting incidents and don;t seem to realise that people take certain aspects of another in or der to not like them or use that as their point of refernce.
You won;t get a fat person calling another fat person a fat s*****ad they m ay just call them a s*****ad. The fat part is just something to focus on an d it IS NOT the main point of why you dislike them.
Yes wel, we all hate those bastard bikers don't we on their harelys riding up and down the street reving their engines keeping everyone awake getting in fights with the locals. See the majority of bikers are hells angels.
You mean like buying a holiday home in some pretty little village and pushing the locals out? Forcing the council to find accommodation for them?
Did that actually happen ? Who paid for sall the holiday villas to be put up in spain. Do you think those that come to the UK are buying holiday homes in London ?
I suppose it waqs the brits that cause Ciudad Real Central Airport to be abondoned, buy buying to much property in spain.
While here in the UK we're told foreign investors are good for the economy so why aren't brit investors good for the spanish economy ?
A Spanish friend of mine having lived and rented in London for 20 years has just brought a flat in Barcelona as she can't afford a flat in London.
and taste frigging awful
YMMV
tim
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I prefer roast potatoes really. FWLIW! So I wouldn't spend anything on a chip fryer.
NT
replying to Dave Plowman (News), tahrey wrote: One of the better things about moving out of mum's place has been that for the last 7 and a bit years I haven't had to suffer the dismay of even a single oven chip. Not a one has seen the inside of my oven, excepting fancy things like spicy wedges or sweet potato fries (each being an experiment that proved equally disappointing and never repeated). She used to cook them on the regular and they were never anything more than awful, even when perfectly cooked, and that didn't happen often because if you don't watch them like a hawk you're more likely to end up with them either undercooked or burnt to embers.
Chippy chips, properly deep fried in a way I wouldn't be able to pull off myself and with a bit of nicely battered fish, are maybe less healthy and certainly more expensive, but I'd rather them as a not particularly extravagant treat once a week or fortnight, with the nutritional and financial downside being a good way to discourage overindulgence.
Oven chips are like those microwaveable burgers, an unnecessary horror of the convenience food age that are no more than a thin shadow of their properly made inspiration.
That's true of most foods that come ready made. There seems no shortage of consumers that buy into the quality hype though.
NT
+1. Similarly microwave chips.
Why? Domestic deep friers ain't expensive.
They are OK when cooked in an air fryer.
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