Sometimes we forget to put he hangtag up. Sometimes it falls down. WTF is
the difference about it all? The license plate is on the car. The plate
gives the driver the right to park there. If you are in a state where your
drivers license denotes handicapped, and you must display it to an officer
who asks, there is some enforcement. If they don't have to explain it to a
police or enforcement officer, what makes you think they need to explain it
Otherwise, just mind your own damn business and don't worry about it.
Sheesh, what do you want folks to do? Pull up their shirt and show their
scars? Give you a medical history? Use medical words you won't understand?
It is enough to be disabled enough to qualify for a tag, it is an extra
burden to have to explain it to some bozo, either on the street or in a
Worry about something else, wontcha?
Actually, I worry about it because I want the spaces to be available for
someone that really does have a disability, and not some mentally
handicapped idiot that wants to save 10 steps so they don't get a little
wet in the rain.
But.... Exxxxxxxxxcccccccuuuuuuuuuussssseeeeeeeeee mmmmmeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
for even caring!!
No you don't. While it's impossible to prove for sure, I'll betcha
you're peeved because some idiot has taken the parking spot you'd like
to have yourself. That's the way *I* feel, anyhow. Although I've been
recently trying to park at a distance to get a little exercise. If
you're concerned about the rights of the handicapped and how to help
them, there's probably an organization that could use your help. Maybe
they even have a cadre of volunteer roving ticket-givers sanctioned by
the local police.
Not at all peeved because I usually park farther back anyway... keeps
down on the damage to my vehicle from all the idiots opening doors or
slamming it with carts.
Besides, I have a disability myself, so I truly do understand how it can
affect a person.
Sorry for making an unfounded assumption.
The concern with parking in this country is absolutely insane on
nearly every level. Jean Shepherd wrote of his father circling parking
lots for hours in search of a "close" space in the 50s. Certainly when
it's raining (and one hasn't had the forethought to pack an umbrella)
or, as recently, parking areas are fields of snow, ice, and slush,
it's a coup to be able to park close to one's destination. But how
much difference does it make? I (sometimes) zip in, park at a
distance, and am inside and shopping (or whatever) before the
lot-circler has snagged his ideal slot. I once, entirely unwittingly I
promise, slipped into a slot someone else was eyeing. She confronted
me in the grocery aisles and swore a blue streak. It was as if I'd
devoured one of her children!
I used to suffer from a mild case of road-rage -- the speeders, the
cutters-off, the non-handicapped in blue spaces -- I'd become
righteously steamed and upset. Finally realized these feelings had no
effect whatsoever on others, and merely raised my BP and made me
unhappy. While I've never believed in 'mind control' fashions, I
started muttering something about how it didn't matter; the only
behavior I could control was my own; etc. Lo and behold, I eventually
was able to be calm in my car and An Example to Others. :-)
No one can be nanny to everyone else's faults. *Real* roadrage results
in homicide when some traffic sin is committed. I'd rather hum my "I'm
cool" mantra and let an idiot go unpunished (by me).
Go to your local authorities, and either volunteer to be a citizen monitor
that can write tickets, or watch the spaces and call when someone offends.
That would show you really care.
I would worry that your concern might be a symptom of your own mental
failures and a sign of the fact that someone got something you would
have liked to have gotten needed to be rationalized to compensate for
your concern about not getting a better parking space!
As I mentioned in another post... I have no desire to get those "good"
parking spaces. I always park farther back in the lot anyway. Keeps my
car from getting banged up from all the idiots and the shopping carts or
the car doors...
For the same reasons I park further away where
1. I can drive into the lot infront of a two lot marking so that I can
drive off without having to back out.
2. Parking in a somewhat protected lot because it has a berm infront
and better if there is another one on the side.
3. So that I can get in an out easily without having a a long line of
cars infront of me on the way to the exit. It is always quicker to
walk to your car >10 rows away than to inch through the same distance
in your car.
Most of the folks I know who have authorization to use HC parking DO
NOT have plates with the HC symbol on them, but rather use the HC
placard hung from the rear view mirror - for obvious reason that we
don't have to go into here and now.
A PLATE as well as the HANG TAG doesn't give the driver the right to
park in a space designated for HC parking unless the plate and/or
placard was issued to the driver for their use because they have a
disability or condition that qualifies for the plate/placard or they
are transporting a person who is authorized to use the space and the
plate or placard was issued to them. If the person who is authorized
to use the space is not driving or being transported in the vehicle
use of the space.
This is very true and unless you have a good reason to question the
validity of the use of a plate/placard by an individual there is no
reason for you to involve a parking/law enforcement officer to verify
I'm not aware of any state in the US that doesn't issue documentation
with the plate or placard that is displayed on the vehicle containing
information identifying the person to who it/they were issued.
The requirements of the issuance of permits for the use of designated
HC parking in the US can be found at: http://www.handiplate.com /
Rather than bitching about imagined abuses of the rules it would
behoove the whiners to go to that site and at least see what is the
requirement for their state! (I doubt if many/any of them will go to
the bother but rather they will be content with going along their
merry way, and getting pissed off every time they see someone using
one of these spaces)
Many of the comments made here seem to relate to the "convenience"
factor associated with HC parking and miss the basic reason for having
it! (In my opinion this seems to reflect their envy persons
authorized to use these parking spaces and total lack of understanding
the reasons for them. Probably most of the complaints in this thread
would not be made if conditions still were the same as before the
passage of the Federal Handicapped Parking Law P.L. 100-641 in 1988.
This law encouraged states to adopt uniform laws regarding handicapped
parking using the guidelines it contained or face the loss of Federal
Highway matching funds. Before this legislation was enacted parking
for persons with handicaps could be designated, BUT few localities had
statutes regarding enforcement of any penalties for violations or
standards of who could use them - and those that did seldom enforced
the laws they had! All you had to do is remember to have someone
'limp' when they got out of a car parked in a HC space if you wanted
to give the impression that its use was authorized! Spaces were
available on a fist come first served basis regardless of the nature
or degree of an individual's handicap!
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:58:50 GMT, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
With the versatility and affordability of PCs that all offices must
have to run business why not use that equipment to capture a whole
body profile silhouette of the HC person and print that on the
permit. A a half or one inch silhouette will provide a quick eyeball
verification of the permit holder without giving away any personal
There are different types of handicaps. Some people can't
walk much, some can't walk far, some can't use their arms.
But I think you ran into some that have handicaps related to
reading, following directions, and various mental problems.
Ken Hall wrote:
Some people are using other people's vehicles and taking advantage of
handicap license plates and placards.
I, myself, have osteonecritis, an artificial heart valve, and a five way
bypass. But I look normal, whatever normal is. I have handicapped plates
on my truck. I use them whenever I feel like it, unless there is another
close spot available, then I take that one. I never park in the van
As with everything, you have inconsiderate people and slobs. And if I could
trade in my plates and have my health issues changed, I would do it in half
Ever think that the construction worker *is* handicapped and is a small
business owner/boss whom parked his truck there so the hired man or men that
accompanied him to the store could pick up the stuff that is required for
I am a business owner/operator and if I was suddenly handicapped I
certainly wouldn't throw in "the towel" . I would keep on going with my
business and hire workers to do what I can no longer do and be their boss
from the experience that I have gained working in the trade. I beleive it's
what you folks down south call the 'American way" that you are supposed to
be so proud of.... isn't it?
Maybe rather than spending your time in typing to this NG you could
have utilized your time in asking the dually owning construction worker in
question???? Wierd...but seems logical to this Canadian..... hell...if I
saw this...I'd hang around and find out....especially if it's every "5-10
times" and it bothered you enough to type this question. Perhaps you could
find the answer to the question and get back to the group with your
Owner / Morris Welding & Holdings Ltd
hey you right about the mental handicapped part: years ago when the
computers were not so user friendly and the drawing programs were kinda
bare bones i made up a mental handicapped license plate for a co-worker
that really needed this plate( it had a head with a circle and line in
it like NO for turn, parking, etc... it was a picture of a get with his
mouth open screaming, which is what this guy was really like... a little
sticker stuff on it and he wore it on his license for a few days......
and it fit him perfectly.....
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 04:09:54 GMT, "George E. Cawthon"
Yes, but why should anyone who doesn't have mobility problems get
special parking spots? I can see if you have problems walking, but
reading? Heck, my daughter qualifies as being handicapped, I could
get plates for all my cars, but she can walk just fine and since she's
only 5, she can't exactly drive, so I won't do it.
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