Wind chill and water pipes

For my next trick, I'll see if the truck starts. Never totally sure, these days.

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Stormin Mormon
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I am not even going to try to start my car...but it probably would start as I put in a new battery a few months ago.

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philo 

Find some old slip joint pliers from HF. Remove aerator, and bang it on the counter to remove the particles of crud. Faucet works better, now.

I guess I found out that when it's -2F and blowing in from the direction of the WH cabinet, that I need to leave a pipe dribble. I have also blocked the vent opening, and will some day maybe wrap the pipes back there, which are not wrapped. And it's only 10 AM.

for my next trick, I'll try to start the car.

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Stormin Mormon

Perhaps. best wishes that you and all the readers of this list are OK. This serious cold makes me appreciate natural gas, and electricity.

I didn't expect to be personally the subject of the frozen pipes, but good to know I've got a team of people cheering for me.

Reply to
Stormin Mormon

Persuant to your original question, do you think those pipes that froze were more likely to freeze with a lower reported windchill or not?

Reply to
trader4

Nobody's cheering when you write stuff like this..."and will some day maybe wrap the pipes back there, which are not wrapped." Duh!

Reply to
Bob_Villa

Most of the problems are in older homes, not ones built in the past 30 or even 50+ years when good insulation and proper building techniques are used. The other problems seems to be in homes build in moderate climates that suddenly have a cold spell normally not found there. Houses and trailers that have open crawl spaces. With tens of thousands of older houses in this country there will always be frozen pipes, but it is a rarity in millions of new homes because they do build them properly.

Reply to
Ed Pawlowski

No, they are affected by the wind, but not the windchill. Different things. You may not agree, but the definition of windchill factor was to tell a human how it is going to feel to the skin when outside. They can put a value on it. The wind may affect the rate of cooling in a draft, but it does not have the same numerical value and it can never go below the actual temperature.

You can make up any definition you want, but that does not change the real meaning.

Oh, you also ignore my example of a temperature of 35 degrees and a wndchill of 20 degrees. Will the pipes freeze? NO

Reply to
Ed Pawlowski

And perhaps you might want to ask why? Naah, don't bother.

Reply to
Stormin Mormon

My point is, wind chill does not cause the pipes to freeze. Wind may make them freeze sooner but the overall affect is the same. If your example was correct, a 35 degree temperature with a 20 degree wind chill factor would freeze the pipes. PIPES HAVE NO FEELING

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Ed Pawlowski

I read it on the internet so it is true.

No shit, we've said that. But the actual temperature must be below 32, not just the wind chill factor.

With the wind chill below zero, the actual temperature will be below 32F so pipes freeze. Nothing new, it has worked that way for centuries. See "Law of Physics" Wind will ten to blow out warm air and bring in cold air. But the chill factor is not a factor. Temperature must be

32F or below.

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Ed Pawlowski

The windchill is dirctly affected by the wind. You can't have one without the other. How hard is that to understand?

And the fact that you won't answer the very simple questions posed shows that you've lost the argument. I've answered ALL your questions, but you won't answer mine, which go to the core of the issue.

Here they are again:

Answer?

Anser?

Different

What it was created for and what it effects are two very different things. Ask NOAA, Weather Channel, University of IL, etc. They clearly say that the lower the windchill, the more likely pipes are to freeze.

They can

A value on an arbitrary scale. So what? Show us where the creators of the windchill said it doesn't have an effect on inanimate objects. NOAA among the others I listed as references say it does.

The wind may affect the rate of cooling in a draft,

I never said it could go below the actual temperature. Try responding in the context of the discussion. Did you even read it?

It was with a temp of 0F and a wind chill of -10F. Last time I checked those conditions are well below freezing on planet earth. What planet are you on?

I haven't made up anything or defined anything. Stop lying.

Wow! What a revelation! Maybe Stormin can weigh in on whether he thought his pipes could freeze when it was 35. He specifically said it was 0F with a windchill of -10F

Idiot.

Reply to
trader4

BS. NOAA, Weather Channel, and Univ or Illinois, among others, say you're wrong. How hard is it to understand that if it's

20F outside and the reported windchill is 0F, that it's more likely that pipes in a drafty crawlspace, an unheated cabin, will freeze? Apparently it's not that hard to understand, but you refuse to answer the simple questions posed that show you're wrong:

Wind may

Gee and when do you have wind? With a windchill that is the same as the outside temp or with a windchill that is 20F BELOW the outside temp? Again, as I've said many times now, suppose it's

35F outside. You have an unheated cabin or a drafy crawlspace. Overnight, it forecasted to go down to 20F. Two cases:

A - windchill is 20F

B - windchill is -10F

Are you going to tell us that the liklihood of the pipes freezing overnight are the same in both cases?

Good grief.

If your

My example above is correct. And again, from the OP, the conditions of the question were a temp of 0F and a winchill of -10F. So stop with the 35F, idiot.

Reply to
trader4

With wind chill, the pipes freeze sooner. That's good to know, because it's only cold and windy for certain number of hours. Thanks for the answer.

Reply to
Stormin Mormon

Typical canard. Does that make everything on the internet untrue? NOAA is wrong? Univ of Illinois? City of Rochester? BTW, where are your references, besides your flapping gums?

freezing, especially if there are cracks or openings that allow cold, outs ide air to flow across the pipes. Research at the University of Illinois ha s shown that â??wind chill,â?? the c ooling effect of air and wind that causes the human body to lose heat, can play a major role in accelerating ice blockage, and thus bursting, in water pipes."

ATER%20PIPES.pdf

Non response to all the factual evidence noted.

Reply to
trader4

Either scenario could result in frozen pipes. What's your point?

The only difference in either scenario is time. Wind chill is irrelevant.

Reply to
Gordon Shumway

Your above statement is absolutely correct. The wind chill in your above example is unknown and irrelevant because the temp is 32° F or below. Because of the air temperature the pipes could freeze. The fact that the wind is blowing will only decrease the time required. That's all I've been saying.

Because you found it on the Internet doesn't make it true. Hell, the one example I gave earlier you picked apart.

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Gordon Shumway

Got to watch for another battery charger. My "good" one with the boost, is dead. The 6 amp was slow, but better than nothing.

2 PM, the truck finally started. Ether didn't help. My mechanic suggested heat on the distributor cap. I had cleaned and WD-40 several multi pin connections. I think the one that helped was either on the ignition coil, or ignition module. Drove around the block, and check the mail. Hope that helps for a while.

Still seriously cold. I need to find some indoor activities, while my feet warm back up. I just don't have the blood circulation to be out in the winter.

Going to be sure and leave the faucet drip, tonight.

Reply to
Stormin Mormon

The difficulty that some are having with this discussion is the term "windchill"...it was expressly conceived for human safety and a standard so individuals know how to dress themselves in adverse weather conditions.

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May be concerning things other than human we should say "heat transfer"...just my couple cents!

Reply to
Bob_Villa

You might want to yank the battery out and let it warm up a bit, then charge it. When you need the vehicle reinstall.

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SteveF

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