Will Toyota's troubles move you to Ford?

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Some good cars, don't you think?
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I'd buy American based on price. You get more more car for less upfront money. I buy used so I look for models that depreciate. I buy 2 or 3 year old.
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Nope. I buy 10 year old Subarus based on quality and price and keep them for 10 years. Works out to about $1,000/year vehicle cost including repairs and gas. Can't beat that with Ford, GM, etc.
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Pretty tough to beat Subaru's at that year. Unfortunately I drive about 50 000 km a year so I concentrate on the newer used models for reliability and safety. All the gaskets and seals are still in good condition and the safety features I had considered going Subaru or Acura/Lexus/infinity for 10 year old plus vehicles but they are still too expensive to buy near me. I would have to buy a vehicle every 12-18 months at that rate, but the thought has crossed my mind plenty to buy cars 8+ years old and buy every year or two.
In terms of insurance cost American automobiles always seem to cost me less every year in insurance.
What is your yearly mileage??
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About 2k - I work at home.
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Agreed. Never had a Scoobaru (although I hear good things about them) but I did the same thing with VW's for years. It'd take a lot to convince me that *either* Toyota or Ford is a better value than a high mileage used VW.
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wrote:

Hahahahahaha! Good one!
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On Jan 29, 12:52pm, snipped-for-privacy@dog.com wrote:

m...
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Someone, in this thread, wrote "Theft, however, is synonymous with socialism".
No proof; unless the writer was confusing the inefficiency and ineptness of certain (many?) forms of socialism (communism)?
Would also agree that poorly paid and low expectations of public servants in certain systems of governance, both autocratic and communistic increase the chances that they will accept bribes and other inducements.
And even in our relatively affluent societies we have all heard the, 'Building Inspector Bribed'', "Officials Persuaded to Issue Illegal Permit"and/or "Elected official treated to vacation at luxurious resort'" stories etc.
But what is more corrupt and implicit to theft then an industry lobbying (and sometimes paying off) governemnt officials to obtain advantages? Certain political systems being much more prone to it than others. Sometimes the decisions of those officials then being not to the benefit of the consumers/voters/citizens.
Not convinced that sticking a label on something and then saying it thus automatically involves theft is true.
Of course most Americans; especially those who have never lived/ travelled elsewhere, have no actual concept of what the words Socialism, Communism, Liberal, really mean!
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On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:35:57 -0800 (PST), terry

Well, please find that post and reply there, where your post belongs.
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On Jan 29, 10:52am, snipped-for-privacy@dog.com wrote:

m...
I don't get it - what's funny about spending maybe $1-2K for a car that's more pleasant to drive, lasts longer, and gets better fuel mileage than a new Ford? I call it pretty darn spiffy, myself.
Only problem is that mid-late 80's era VWs seem to be hard to find, I could use another car, and an A1/A2 GTI or any Scirocco would fit the bill perfectly. I used to pick them up for $1K or less and then drive them until they either fell apart or I found something I liked better; can't seem to find 'em anymore. Last Scirocco I had had 240K miles when I sold it (at least, I think I may have repaired the odometer at least once) and compression tested good and ran like new.
nate
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On 1/27/2010 8:32 PM, boyari2 wrote:

No. I had a lemon problem with Ford years ago and had to sue them and dealer. One experience like this is enough for a lifetime.
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On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:32:45 -0800, boyari2 wrote:

A whale in wolf's clothing...
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use of the foot print due to layout. I'm not surprised at the throttle issues in the drive by wire cars, I'm more surprised it hasn't happened sooner & to more brands. That push button start is also a hazard, leaving you with no mechanical switch to turn off, and it is just glitz, it serves no practical purpose.
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Eric in North TX wrote:

It works great in airplanes, but then you've got double/triple redundancy, and every part comes with a full pedigree.
For automobiles, not so much.
Jon
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wrote:

toyota was aware of the problem for a long time and did its best to blame the owners for things like carpeting.
oh well bridgestone firestone did the exact same thing, and is still in business today:(
ANY COMPANY who has a major problem like this should be called before congress and asked lots of nosey questions under oath.
When did you find about about problem?, what did you do? attempted cover up?
Inform them in advance that if they are found to be lieing, its 5 years in supermax not club fed:(
This will make all products safer:)
Companies will be FORCED to fix safety issues when they first occur:) Rather than waiting till the death rate gets too high, just to save a buck.....
if toyota or any other big company did ignore a problem resulting in preventable deaths, andf the brand was destroyed and the company went out of business.
things like this will get fixed fast!
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On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:12:32 -0800 (PST), " snipped-for-privacy@aol.com"

When Ford Pintos started exploding when hit from behind due to a flaw in the gas tank mounts, Ford had an interesting response. The OFFICIAL position taken by Ford was that it was cheaper to settle the lawsuits from families of people killed and maimed, then it would be to fix the problem.
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On Jan 28, 2:29pm, snipped-for-privacy@dog.com wrote:

Yup that and the Explorer roll-overs (whether due to under inflated tyre specs. or whatever!) The absolutely best and most economical vehicle that really served our purpose, that we ever owned was a fourth hand 1990 Nissan pickup. The only 'option' it had was a heater. No power steering, or radio, single speed wipers, four cylinder, five speed manual. Acquisition and major repairs including a paint job; it lasted with us some four/five years worked out at $80 per month. We threw it away at close to 300,000 kms. (200,000 miles) at age 12 years after the cab floor and chassis rusted. It took son to college for 3 years and we used it for small business as well. But FORD is the one that didn't need bailing out????????? We need better fiscal and bank regulation. Why are other countries recovering their economies so much faster?
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SaltyDog beat me to it:As I understand , it was the shock absorber bolts that punctured the gas tank on Pintos. How much could it have possibly cost to remedy that? Turn the bolts around so the head is facing the tank? Some sort of metal shield? I also saw a program (Bill Kurtis on A&E as I recall) about the POS Bronco II 's rolling over. They had one on a test track with what amounted to giant training wheels on it. The least little swerve and it would have flipped w/o the outriggers. Supposedly they suspended the tests for the safety of the test divers, them released the car to the public to test for themselves. In cases like these, the execs making thise decisions should be held personally liable.
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On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:29:23 -0500, snipped-for-privacy@dog.com wrote:

I think heard that the top of the gas tank was the bottom of the trunk, same piece of metal I took that to mean.
Anyone hear that?
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mm wrote:

No, that's the Mustang. A little weird but not a problem in practice as far as I know. Not sure what years used that design, but definitely 71-72. (SWMBO's dad has a Mach 1 in the garage with the tank removed, is why I can say that with authority.)
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