Will hydrogen balloons come back?

And ACES has beaten you

October 27, 2008

THE WEALTH SPREADERS.... Without a hint of irony, Sarah Palin has begun calling Barack Obama "Barack the Wealth Spreader." I'm not sure if typical voters, who've seen their real wages decline, and who haven't benefitted at all from a series of Republican tax cuts, will necessarily be outraged by the idea of a president offering more economic opportunities to those who've been left behind, but whatever. I'm not the McCain/Palin campaign's message consultant.

But more importantly, as Ryan Powers noted, there's the irony of Palin making these ridiculous attacks.

Just last month, in an interview with Philip Gourevitch of the New Yorker, Palin explained the windfall profits tax that she imposed on the oil industry in Alaska as a mechanism for ensuring that Alaskans "share in the wealth" generated by oil companies. [...]

In fact, Alaska's Clear and Equitable Share (ACES) program, which manages the redistribution of oil wealth in Alaska, brings in so much money that the state needs no income or sales tax. In addition, this year ACES will provide every Alaskan with a check for an estimated $3,200.

As Hendrick Hertzberg notes, "Perhaps there is some meaningful distinction between spreading the wealth and sharing it ... but finding it would require the analytic skills of Karl the Marxist."

I realize that even McCain, Palin, and Fox News don't take this "socialism" nonsense seriously, and that this is just rhetoric borne of desperation. McCain has always struggled with new ideas and a changing world, so it stands to reason he'd rely on a red scare as his closing argument.

But the truth is, Sarah Palin's Alaska is about as close to socialism as America gets. As Yglesias recently noted, "You have collective ownership of valuable natural resources that generates lots of revenue for the state, and then the government makes 'spreading the wealth around' through the Permanent Fund, etc. its main priority."

The point isn't that there's anything especially wrong with Palin-style socialism; there isn't. The point is, if McCain and Palin want to whine incessantly about socialism, redistribution of wealth, and "welfare," they ought to a) learn what they're talking about; and b) take a good look in the mirror.

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But Palin's criticisms of Obama's "spread the wealth" remarks are ironic, as she recently characterized Alaska's tax code in a very similar way. Just last month, in an interview with Philip Gourevitch of the New Yorker, Palin explained the windfall profits tax that she imposed on the oil industry in Alaska as a mechanism for ensuring that Alaskans "share in the wealth" generated by oil companies:

And Alaska--we're set up, unlike other states in the union, where it's collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs. ... It's to maximize benefits for Alaskans, not an individual company, not some multinational somewhere, but for Alaskans.

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Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
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You still eat the other corn products. For that matter sweet corn is higher too but the big price hike is in meat. That feed corn is competing directly with ethanol.

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gfretwell

"PV" wrote in news:5Tw7s.5$% snipped-for-privacy@newsfe14.iad:

That's the system from my /personal experience/, both with myself and my mother. Those things I said are /actual experiences/ over many years.

And this is where it all falls apart. Always on the money thing. Canadians /always/ mention the money.

You used to be able to buy Blue Cross, at different levels of coverage. We always had full-coverage. And since Canada never made the US mistake of tying coverage to employment, you didn't have to worry about losing coverage when changing jobs.

The 1985 act banned insurance companies from selling you coverage, banned you from applying for it, and banned providers from accepting insurance payments.

Most Canadians have no memory or conception of what their system /used/ to be like:

- ERs were /not/ always bursting at the seams, with 8-hour-long waits.

- It was /not/ always impossible to find a family doctor.

- It did /not/ always take weeks and months to see specialists.

- You did /not/ originally need permission from your GP to see a specialist

- It was /non/ always impossible to start your own, specialized, hospital and so on.

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Tegger

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Liz Megerle

Well, that sounds disappointing.

Christ> I envision hydrogen baloons, and soon some teenager will figure out s/he > can

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Stormin Mormon

Everyone should read Michael Crichton's "State of Fear".

Environmentalists hate it because it refutes them but the point is how the public is manipulated about something bad that might happen in the future.

As for running out of helium, the problem is mainly need for superconductivity needed for the high density magnets in MRI machines. I don't keep abreast of the field but super conductivity at room temperature has eluded researchers but there are materials that work above the boiling point of helium. Like everything else it reduces down to economics of using them.

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Frank

Both. The US wouldn't sell Germany helium. And the Hindenberg was one huge fire trap anyway. The outer skin was linen coated in nitro-cellulose (gun cotton) that was impregnated with aluminum powder. That was common in fabric airplanes of the day, but burned like flash paper. -- Doug

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Douglas Johnson

You're a stitch! LOL

Reply to
Bob_Villa

but its from the darling of the right, Sarah Palin

Reply to
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds

Never denied it

do we really have to go over the process in which field corn is turned into alcohol and the leavings, DDGS, are sold as cattle feed that has a higher nutritional level than unprocessed corn and sells for about the same price as field corn?

all of your statements may be true, except in relevance to the price of table corn. Table corn generates more income than field corn so even an attempt to make the table corn price higher because farmers are taking table corn out to replace it with field corn is just plain wrong.

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Malcom "Mal" Reynolds

Where do you get these silly ideas? From some biased news source? Gas production in the US has steadily trended up since Mr. Obama became president, and is now the highest it's been since before 1973

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Graph and chart say the same thing.

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Overtakes Russia as Biggest Natural Gas Producer (Update1) By Stephen Bierman - January 12, 2010 11:52 EST

Jan. 12 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. overtook Russia as the world?s largest natural-gas producer last year as U.S. suppliers tapped unconventional resources while demand in Russia plunged amid the country?s worst economic decline on record. U.S. output in January through October advanced 3.9 percent from a year earlier to 18.3 trillion cubic feet (519 billion cubic meters), according to the latest Department of Energy data.

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bubba

Actually, Mormons should get all the helium. Then they should be forced to breathe it for a half hour or more. What better way to rid the world of Mormon cultists, particularly Romney.....

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romney-SUCKS

Gas production has trended up in SPITE of President Obama. Fracking on private lands is the source of new gas. The Obama administration has curtailed exploration and production on public lands, instituted a moratorium on offshore oil and gas activity, and instituted new rules in Alaska.

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HeyBub

Perhaps you want to educate yourself (probably not)? UK National Health Service = 1.7M employees, up from 1.5M two years ago.

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krw

If you don't like people misquoting, perhaps it would be a good idea to use a standard format? Top posting sucks and you make it worse than most.

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krw

Neither. It'll burn.

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krw

kr williams (krw @ att.biz) used improper usenet message composition style by unnecessarily full-quoting:

Perhaps you should try to edit your replies properly and not drag the entire thread into every reply you post.

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Subway Driver

and so does full-quoting.

The standard format for a usenet reply is to NOT drag the entire thread into each and every reply you post.

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Subway Driver

Someone's been reading the wikipedia page on helium.

Reply to
dennisgauge

So what is your point?

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G. Morgan

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