Widest possible gate?

Yeah OK. Sure.

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JoeSpareBedroom
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No need. As Jesus said: "The fools will always be with us." If someone invented hot water tonight, a movement opposing it would spring up by morning. There have been movements against lightning rods, Fluoridation, blood transfusions, vaccinations, radial tires, flying machines, you name it. Even today, there is agitation against PEX, trans-fats, coffee, and intervention in Iraq.

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HeyBub

So, you have implicit faith in the government, eh?

The "authorities" have been wrong before. In banning DDT, millions were condemned to an early death. By banning silicone breast implants, millions were deprived of joy in their life. Sometimes the self-appointed (or Clinton-appointed) "experts" can be wrong.

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HeyBub

You never saw me make any such claim.

Remember always that your reputation for saying stupid things is legendary in this newsgroup.

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JoeSpareBedroom

Not only. Genetically engineered seeds are marketed as "Roundup Ready" meaning the resulting plants are immune to the effects of Roundup. Farmers can use these seeds and lather the fields with Roundup without their crops being affected.

"No-till soybeans grown in narrow rows add $16 per acre more to a grower's bottom line than conventional soybeans.... On a 1,000 acre farm, no-till can save as much as 450 hours of time and 3,500 gallons of diesel fuel each year. That's 11, 40-hour weeks in time savings and $11,000 less for diesel at $3.20 per gallon"

So, the next time you buy soybeans at the market, you can thank "No-till" genetic modification for their relative low price. (Similar savings are available for sugar beets, corn, cotton, and a few other things you'll find at the market.)

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HeyBub

JoeSpareBedroom wrote: ...

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I certainly can question any source. Whether it's reasonable or not is yet another question, but certainly an anonymous supposedly impeachable source on usenet isn't precisely my idea of scholarly research... :)

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Reply to
dpb

Sadly (but not unexpectedly), you are missing some vital information about how the Roundup panacea is beginning to unravel. Consult some news sources aimed at sober grownups.

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JoeSpareBedroom

Name 10 news sources which you lean toward trusting more than others.

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JoeSpareBedroom

That would be variable depending on the subject of the story.

The "news media" I don't think are particularly reliable as a general rule for varying reasons and in varying ways from bias to pure incompetence.

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Reply to
dpb

OK. What sources do you lean toward trusting for info about chemical hazards?

Reply to
JoeSpareBedroom

.. says the pot to the kettle. ROTFLMAO!!

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Doug Miller

MSDS #1

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Reply to
dpb

Your knowledge in basic chemistry.

Reply to
Tony Hwang

Are you referring to the course most of us took in high school? If that's what you mean, then that's far from sufficient.

Reply to
JoeSpareBedroom

You're too busy to be serious, so you're being silly. Have a nice day.

Reply to
JoeSpareBedroom

Whoa! This world needs lot more human like you. Roundup, Eh? I am primitive. I trim my lawn with my own two hands, snip, snip, snip for hours at a time, LOL!

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Tony Hwang

Well, of course there's Fox News.

Then there's, er, um, hold on, it'll come to me. Oh, yeah, several talk-radio commentators. There.

I'm sure there must be others...

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HeyBub

And you know I'm missing some vital information exactly how?

All I did was mention that Monsanto is GMing seeds such that the resulting crops are immune to the effects of Roundup. I made no claim about Roundup's panacea or lack thereof (although such could be inferred).

While I appreciate your insistence that I consult news source aimed at sober grownups, your directive is officious, non-germane, and presumptuous.

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HeyBub

Somebody nudge Joe. He's stuck.

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HeyBub

JoeSpareBedroom wrote: ...

As my previous response indicated, there essentially is no such thing. Research continues to update information often w/ conflicting results from previous owing to enumerable differences in what was studied, in what environment, under what null hypothesis the analysis was conducted, etc., etc., etc., ...

MSDS are the basic information required to (reasonably) safely handle the product in question based on information available.

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dpb

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