On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 19:01:19 +0000 (UTC), blue bmw
You have to define "match mounting." There are multiple definitions.
You'll get what you're willing to pay for.
For my cars simply getting each wheel individually balanced so there
is no vibration at any speed I drive at, is all my car deserves.
So I disagree with your second point above.
himself the enormous amount of money he spent on a car that by his own admission suffers
from serious quality problems is to make every possible effort to perpetuate the fantasy of
its imagined superior performance -- like that makes any difference at all when he's stuck in
traffic on his daily commute to work.
Q: What's the difference between a porcupine and a BMW?
On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 22:54:25 -0600, Tony Hwang wrote:
The only difference with bimmer wheels and normal car wheels is most
cages have steel and most (all?) BMWs have (BBS) aluminum wheels.
Which means it's even more important to get it right.
Unfortunately, almost nobody here knows how to mount tires so they
blindly trust the tire shops who don't give a chit.
Since nobody is watching the henhouse, they take you for the ride.
I doubt anyone on this ng knows how to mount tires properly, unless
they've been trained as a tire professional. And, if they are, they'll
tell you that 90% of all tires are put on incorrectly. That's a fact.
The proof is as simple as asking a tire shop the same question you
are asking here. You'll get 20 different answers, none of them right.
BTW, you really need a beemer group, not a bimmer group since the beemer
guys mount their own tires.
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 10:11:57 -1000, Geoff Welsh wrote:
Neither did this one! :)
Sloppiness, incompetence, and fraud all around.
I filed a formal complaint to Tire Rack.
I had to stop them halfway through, after 2.5 hours of my car on the
lift, and now I have four unbalanced (but new) tires, and a bare
spare rim with no valve stem.
It was miserable, by any
0. They committed fraud (by claiming a higher Tire Rack price)
1. They pried off the BBS BMW hubcaps with a screwdriver
2. They dropped 1/3 of the the lug bolts on the ground
3. The did not bother to match mount the red to the valve stem
4. They had to ask ME what the torque should be (when I told them
to remove the wheels and re-torque them)
5. They had to deflate and then re-inflate the tires (when I told
them they didn't even look at the tire placard in the door jamb)
6. They left the old wheel weights on the tire (until I told them
to remove them)
7. And, worst of all, I think they damaged two of my wheels
It got so bad, that I told them three times that I wanted my car
back, and only after the third time, did they stop. Then they wanted
to charge me the full (fraudulent) price, and I insisted they only
charge me for the work they did.
In the end, they charged me $8 to mount the four tires with four
new stems, no balance, and, they didn't put back the spare tire
on the wheel rim nor put the Schrader valve back into the spare
And, then they hand me a pretty envelope, with the receipt,
where it says "Trust the Midas touch."
Pictures later ... as I only had a crummy cell phone ...
and it's hard to get the photos off of it.
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:39:22 +0000 (UTC), blue bmw
OMG, you went to Midas!!! Last time I was at a Midas I had a shouting
match with the manager when he insisted he had to machine my brand new
Discs in order to install the replacement "lifetime" pads that had
worn out in about 20,000 miles. He refused to put the pads on and I
refused to pay to have new rotors machined. My "free lifetime
replacement" was going to cost about $60 and shave life off my brand
new rotors. It's always good when the waiting room has a lot of
customers in it when you are explaining to the manager what a bunch of
crooks they are. He wanted me out and refunded the original cost of
the pads. Last time I will EVER go to a Midas. That location went
out of business a few years later.
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 01:09:58 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote:
Maybe it's my fault for assuming that putting tires on is
a commodity. Clearly, this Midas, wasn't worth the cost.
The good news is that Tire Rack removed them from the
recommended installer program, but it was just this
one shop so that's not all that much of a positive result.
Tire Rack said it would be six months at least before
they're allowed back on.
I'm not trying to be rude when I say this so please don't take it that
way... but... sounds like you need a better shop.
Where are you located? I can recommend a couple shops local to me that
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
Forgot to add, you're completely neglecting that your tire shop also
should have soft pads for their rim clamps, or use a tire machine that
doesn't clamp the rim at all (because I ASSume that if you have a BMW
that it has alloy wheels)
Nothing makes me stabbier than seeing those dimples in the rim from the
rim clamps because the tire guy was too lazy to use the soft pads... but
most used sets of alloys that I've bought have them... with corrosion
spreading around the marks usually meaning they need to be refinished to
Again I have a short list of shops local to me that I will trust to
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 08:22:10 -0400, Nate Nagel wrote:
This is true.
However, I've called Tire Rack, BBS, and even the rubber manufacturers
association, and, these "tire professionals" don't even know the answer
(at least not yet, offhand).
I sent them all the pictures, by email. So, we may get some progress,
but not in time for my appointment today with the Tire Rack "recommended
installers" who, supposedly, have met a professional standard for installation.
Unfortunately, it's my humble opinion that no tire installer installs tires
I'm not saying tires are falling off cars left and right, but, for the
aficionado, if you don't watch them and tell them what to do, they won't:
a) Mount the tire on the wheel properly
b) Torque the lug bolts properly
c) Pressurize the tires properly
And these are very basic mistakes that a mere consumer should *not* have
to worry about.
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 17:07:22 +0000, Doug Miller wrote:
Actually, I've found there are many types of bimmer owners.
There are the young kids, who don't even know the difference
between a bimmer and a beemer who just want to tweak the
looks (e.g., shadowline trim, hella angel eyes, staggered
wheels, ultra low profile tires, CAI intake (even though you
can't realistically improve upon it), etc.
Then, there are the old folks, who just want a nice safe
well handling vehicle.
You have the sales people types, who want any "fancy" car to
take their customers out in.
And, you have the enthusiasts, who put up with all kinds of
quality issues because they appreciate the handling.
You have to admit, the power train and suspension (other than
the known quality issues, e.g., leaking fluid filled thrust
bearings and the like), are fantastic!
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