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What makes people think jobs are coming back? Everything we buy is made in China. I drive a VW and a Nissan. What can an American make for me? We sued our employers right out of the country. You can only bite the hand that feeds you for only so long. The people complained, the employers left.
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LSMFT wrote the following:

My 1997 Nissan PU was made in Smyrna, Tennessee by Americans.
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wrote:

By non-union Americans and they really just assembled Japanese parts. I had a 2000 Honda that is supposed to be American made but just about everything in it was stamped "made in Japan".
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snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote the following:

I don't know if they were union or non-union, but they were still Americans. Were they underpaid, that is, paid a salary less union dues, that was less than union workers who pay union dues?

Who put it together?
Who made the clothes with the American sounding brands you are wearing?
I don't like it either, but you can blame both the Republicans and the Democrats for it, and maybe the unions. Union heads are like lawyers, they don't give a rat's ass about the clients, just what they can get out of it.
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willshak wrote:
“Union heads are like lawyers, they don't give a rat's ass about the clients, just what they can get out of it.”
Just like the shortsighted CEOs and politicians who provided the need for their existence in the first place.
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AMEN!
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Union heads, lawyers and CEO's, you mean. They take obscene salaries instead of plowing that money back into their companies. You almost never see original founders of companies doing that, just the yahoos that get hired when the founders die or are bought out. Then the great equity "suck out" begins. That's US capitalism. It's not a knock against it, it's just the way it works. Producing cheap and selling dear means always looking for ways to cut costs.
As soon as it becomes cheaper to build cars or PCs or TV's elsewhere and ship them than it does to build them here, that's what happens. It's why I don't believe in "trickle down" or tax breaks for the ultra-rich. The ultra-rich are the ones spearheading the exodus of jobs from America, where labor costs are high, to much cheaper countries like Vietnam. The Chinese just floated the world's largest IPO. Much of that money came from the US wealthy class because they own the corporations that are investing in the PacRim like there's no tomorrow. I think Carly F. lost her race simply because it was clear that when she ran HP, she transferred thousands of US jobs offshore. Doing that makes it hard for people to believe that you will bring jobs to their state. It is nice that she pumped over $100M of her job-cutting bonuses back into the US economy, though. Every cloud has a silver lining. All of this job exportation is happening because it makes economic sense to producers. I am sorry to say that even buyers have bought into that model.
People buy from Wal-mart and Kia because they have to stretch their dollars further as wages decline and unemployment stays stuck on high. They barely think about how they are supporting the export of US jobs by doing so. It's a concept just too remote from the need to save enough money to pay the rent and get by. Besides, just try to live buying only US-made goods. Hardly possible.
Obama screwed the pooch by not doing everything he could to rebuild our manufacturing muscle and restarting the economy. I don't mind paying out-of-work people to clean highways, paint bridges and clean up foreclosed properties. Instead, we let them sit on their butts, getting more and more used to not working. Studies show the longer you don't get up and go to work each day, the harder it is to get into the mode again. Paying them to scrape rust off bridges would give them money to put right back into the economy. It wouldn't steal many existing jobs because it's clear very few states are doing a good job on infrastructure maintenance.
But instead of concentrating on jobs and recovery, he's got a huge bug up his butt to be the president that got health care reform passed. Maybe it was the then impending death of Ted Kennedy that got him all fired up, but whatever pushed him, it's been a dreadful mistake. The new health care law satisfies no one and may even see repeal as its more idiotic provisions begin to take effect. I believe it will be found unconstitutional to force people to buy private healthcare. But you never know. It seems if it's good for business (and forcing customers to buy your product or face punishment has got to be the dream of many corporations) the current SCOTUS will endorse it heartily. We'll see.
Now Obama's off to India to try to make his "bones" as a foreign policy expert. I dunno about that. I suspect he's playing to the history books instead of trying to solve the gnarly problems facing us at home. He won't be the first "lamed by the mid-terms" president to take that route. I just hope his escapades don't cost us another trillion dollars or so to fight nit-wit wars with ambiguous goals and hard to quantify results.
If the Sovs want to play footsie with the Iranians and help them get the bomb all I can hope is that the Sovs take the first hit when the Iranians turn on them after getting what they want. Europe seems awfully indifferent to Iran, at least compared to us, which makes little sense since they are going to be the ones that are first "in range." If they can't be bothered to lock down the problem in their own backyard, why should we? I suspect the answer is that they know we'll do it for them, so why should they bother? I'm sure at least a few of them think: "Let those sucker Americans waste their blood and treasure defending us." Well, I'm tired of being a sucker. When Europeans find themselves in the path of a skyload of radioactive fallout, maybe they'll reconsider their positions.
-- Bobby G. (a registered Republican who votes as an independent and who voted for Obama because Palin was not a person I could see in the job should McCain, who's had cancer problems, become ill or die. Plagiarist Joe Biden didn't warm my heart, either, but I thought Obama far less likely to die in the saddle than McCain, making Biden largely irrelevant.)
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Robert Green wrote:
Bobby G. (a registered Republican who votes as an independent and who voted for Obama because Palin was not a person I could see in the job should McCain, who's had cancer problems, become ill or die. Plagiarist Joe Biden didn't warm my heart, either, but I thought Obama far less likely to die in the saddle than McCain, making Biden largely irrelevant.)
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An interesting sentiment.

I'd point out that the worth of a president is not completely determined by
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My 2007 Hyundai Sonata was 25% US made, 75% Korea. My 2010 Sonata is up to 48% US made. Next year the Elantra is moving to the US for production and Hyundai will be more American than GM. The most popular Ford model is made in Mexico.
I used to laugh at people buying Hyundai, but now I think it is the best value car on the road in the US. Best quality car I've ever owned, superior to my Buicks and a Mercedes I had.
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On 11/3/2010 9:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Hyundai and Mercedes are kicking butt here in Alabamastan which is turning into a major automotive manufacturing center. I drove past the Mercedes plant today on my way to Columbus, MS for a service call. If I remember correctly, the Hyundai plant is the most advanced automotive manufacturing plant in the world. A lot of vehicle plants have sprung up in the Southeast perhaps because there is no big union presence down here. 8-)
TDD
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On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 23:27:52 -0500, The Daring Dufas

You're missing something besides the union. Germans and Koreans are in charge. That's why they're kicking butt. As usual, there's more than one side of a story. Good for Alabama. The guys working there are probably within a buck of UAW wages, but with less benefits. Whatever works.
--Vic
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On 11/4/2010 9:06 AM, Vic Smith wrote:

Well, they're not flocking to the Northeast to build any plants are they? 8-0
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On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 09:18:12 -0500, The Daring Dufas

True enough. BTW, the reason foreign auto plants began being built in the U.S. is because the Reagan administration threatened tariffs. Balance of trade was getting bad and the owners and unions were squealing. Since then the solution with other industries has been let the balance go crazy, but print money, encourage debt, and stick your head in the sand. Here we are.
The Wall Streeters working for Obama are real dopes. Since he hired them, that makes him a dope. I see the Dow is up because Bernacke printed $600 billion. That'll create jobs. Right. Lower interest rates. Right. They're already nothing. Why loan for no return? Only place to put your money is Wall Street. They skim their vigorish, then invest the rest overseas. And you're gambling with that money. Las Vegas, with financial houses in place of the mob. It's nuts to me. Recipe for disaster. But I'm no economist. Just somebody who worked, saved, and avoided debt. Problem I have now is Bernacke making my savings worthless. Others have bigger problems. That gives me no pleasure. I like the rising tide theory - when it works.
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On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 20:45:05 -0400, snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote:

The profits from that plant mostly went to Japan, not the local economy.
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But the wages for much of it went to the local economy. To the extent that they bought parts (and utilities, and hand towels, etc.) that went to the local economy. American plants don't do much more than that.
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wrote:

Oh, you are SO wrong.
Where the profits go is VERY important.
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I had a little garden hose shut off valve from Ace that finally failed. It was made in the USA. Ace guarantees them without time limit so I took it back to them.
The new one was made in China and some of the previous metal parts are now plastic.
Phooey!
Charlie
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LSMFT wrote:

There is no necessary connection between manufacturing and jobs. There are many jobs that don't involve making anything: lawyers and undertakers to name two.
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LOL. 7,000.000 mfg jobs gone since 2000, and "There is no necessary connection between manufacturing and jobs."
Voodoo talk.
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On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:58:11 -0500, Vic Smith

I agree. If you are a lawyer, an undertaker or in some kind of service business, you have a marketable skill. If you worked in a factory "putting wheels on Cadillacs" for 20 years, you might be able to get a job at a tire store but you won't be making UAW money.
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