- You're ISPs proxy server is goofing up.
For just the links in this thread? Possible, but doubtful. All other
links in other posts and other newsgroups work fine. Besides, the
error message is not the type you would typically get from a server.
It's a gif with the title IMG_662x.gif with the x matching the last
digit of the images that the OP is using in his posts. The URL in the
properties box of the gif matches the URL of the link in the thread.
Here's a copy of what I get:
- How are you reading the groups? Google page or a news client?
- How are you reading the groups? Google page or a news client?
Google page in IE7, and like I've said...it's only the links in this
thread that are giving me a problem, and it's only when I click on
them in the thread. *Most* of the time, refreshing the page, pasting
the link into a different browser window or even using Ctrl-n in the
page with the error will produce the pictures that the OP posted.
I'll try them from work in the morning...totally different ISP and
network path since it's on a secure corporate network. Stay tuned.
Well problem #1 is that you're using Google to read groups.
The server that is hosting the pictures won't allow links from Google.
Google is the referrer that you see in the error message. When you copy the
link to a new browser then you aren't being "referred" to the page by Google
and it works.
- Well problem #1 is that you're using Google to read groups.
Considering it's the only server that I have ever had trouble with, I
think I'll stay with my current methods. Since I read these groups on
multiple machines, some of which I couldn't install a news client on
if I wanted too, I'm not looking to access these groups in different
manners depending on what machine I happen to sit down at. I've got
enough things confusing me already, I don't need to add another
In any case. thanks for the info.
One of my machines is XP-Pro with a corporate image. The image is
scanned and updated by our corporate IT department. Since I shouldn't
be reading news at work, I'm not about to activate the newsreader in
an application that gets scanned and updated by our corporate IT
At home on my main machine I use Mozilla Thunderbird to read my mail
and on another I don't access email at all. The only thing common to
all three machines, as well as the machine at my Dad's house and any
other machine I happen to sit down at is IE.
So, as I said, since this one site is the only one that has ever given
me a problem, and the problem is easily rectified, I'll stick with
reading the news via IE.
Don't bet on it- if it is a 'work' machine, corporate install images often
have stuff like that stripped out, to keep the users from impure servers and
such, and to keep them from bothering the help desk with 'Why can't I get to
whatever?' calls, or from more tech-savvy users, requests to punch holes in
I would have to discount the idea of something inside the wall, given
the asymmetrical shape of the sagging and darkening. Note how the
"burn" tends to wrap around the top of the deck's railing, and has a
oval shape like the motion of someone wiping a cloth across a surface.
My money is on a combo: the siding was wiped with some sort of
chemical cleaner and it took time for sunlight to cause a chemical
reaction between the vinyl and the residue.
I don't see it as "around" the railing, I see it as to the right and
concentrated just about at the height of the railing post. I could
easily see a heat source centered at that point producing the pattern.
The "oval/circular rubbing" action would be much easier if the surface
were flat, but on a simulated clapboard siding w/ the horizontal edges
rubbing would be far more likely to be constrained to the horizontal
My only idea on the solvent/chemical would be that it was sprayed at
that location and the heaviest concentration was at that point.
As I noted before, what worries me is that if it was an electrical
problem, ignoring it while pontificating leads to the possibility of far
more serious problem while exploring and finding out now has only the
downside of a temporary different bad-looking area for a while until it
If it were a heat source behind or in the wall, I wouldn't expect
to see the bottom of each vinyl siding piece (where it's bumped out
from the wall) being as badly damaged as that compared to the top.
The air gap has to account for something.
[If it was on the inside of the house, like a toaster flameout,
there should be much more obvious heat damage on the inside walls -
an exterior wall doesn't transmit heat very well, especially in
cold climates with decent insulation.]
Still, it'd be a good idea to at least remove the covers and
electrical devices from the boxes and take a really close look
inside and see if there's any signs of damage to the wiring.
On the inside too, if there's any electricals (eg: switches) there.
In any event, he's going to want to get the damaged siding off so
it can be repaired, and that should make the cause a lot more
obvious and/or some of the sheathing can be cut out to check
the wiring more directly.
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Conjecture is easy but useless.
The siding will have to be replaced anyway and simply pulling it off (or
even one piece) will show whether there's heat damage to the
siding/homasote/whatever and be conclusive that it is/is not from an
internal heat or external heat source. That's well worth knowing
immediately imo, just on the chance that it is/was.
"If it were a heat source behind or in the wall, I wouldn't expect..."
"[If it was on the inside of the house, like a toaster flameout, ..."
IF you hadn't preceded that w/ two paragraphs of further "ifs", I'd have
not said a thing further... :)
Seems like there are 2 leading theories, heat and chemicals.
The chemical theory is that something got on the siding that would
make the siding soft and start to sag over time perhaps with the addition
of mild heat from sunlight.
Wait til the middle of a sunny day. If the siding is soft, it would
be chemicals. If it's not soft, it was probably heat.
I have something similar and just as weird. The mini-blinds in one window
on the south side of my house have a round-ish area about 8" in diameter
that's discolored and warped just like your siding. The blinds have
naturally been inside at all times, the window hasn't been opened, and
I had cardboard on the inside of the blinds for a long time, which means
nothing from the inside could have burned the blinds without harming the
cardboard. Cars can't get anywhere within 1,000 feet of that side of the
house without leaving obvious tracks in the mud, so it's not a windshield
reflection. There's a building off in the distance, but a reflection off
its window would have to travel across the blinds as time-of-day changed
and it wouldn't leave a nice, round burn in one spot.
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