Water shut off, again

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actually any home, its easier to work without water draining back on you,

and nearly impossible to solder copper lines with water in them.

2 valves elminate all this.

and what difference does a frame home make?

mine is brick but the water system is the same.

the only time both valves are closed is during tank replacement.....

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bob haller
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actually any home, its easier to work without water draining back on you,

and nearly impossible to solder copper lines with water in them.

CY: Right, it's impossible to solder wet lines.

2 valves elminate all this.

CY: That's true. But you have to solder on the valves.

and what difference does a frame home make?

mine is brick but the water system is the same.

CY: The trailer I live in, the top of the WH is about three feet higher than any sink or tub or toilet in the place. Won't be that hard to drain the water out of where I'm soldering.

the only time both valves are closed is during tank replacement.....

CY: True.

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Stormin Mormon

Note my original post said put valves far away from tank, this elminates soldering on valves. which with water on the other side wouldnt work anyway...or you couldf use unions..

around here code now requires a pressure tank and checkvalve at meter to prevent siphoning from say a abandoned swiimming pool water back into the system.

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bob haller

The folks at HD didn't make me happy. Aparently, GE refunds only the original (vintage 2004) purchase price $190, or so. And then I get to pay the balance of the $388 replacement heater. Not like they give me a new heater, outright, or anything normal like that.

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Stormin Mormon

Honestly, did you expect anything different?

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Oren

Water heater on my trailer just developed a big leak. I spent all day today replacing it. Even though it leaked in warranty. The deal is that they (Home Depot) refund my $198 from 2004, and then charge me the present $388 for the replacement. I'm not at all pleased with that.

After 7 hours of work, store time, chasing around. I finally had the grand pilot relighting ceremony. When the water warms up, it's time for shower and clean clothes. I put a quarter turn ball valve on the cold side, and didn't valve the hot side. Took out some bent (kinked) soft copper, so the flow won't be as restricted.

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Stormin Mormon

The valve is about 3 feet from the tank. Just put valve on the cold side. The tank connection is via flare fitting. I moved the flare to pipe adaptors from the old tank, so that made the connection at the tank. So far, far as I know, no leaks. The pilot lit up, and then the whoof of the gas flame. Sounds like I'm in hot water for a few more years.

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Stormin Mormon

On usenet? Well, I think there was the time back in 2003 that someone was impolite, but that was only a rare occasion.

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Stormin Mormon

Test the draft with a match, make sure the vent is drafting upwards.

That is really the final test, imo

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Oren

You are aware of "The Dumb Ass Effect"? You will know better than to shut off both valves while the heater is in operation but "some dumb ass" will come along and turn the damn things off when they're not supposed to.

TDD

Reply to
The Daring Dufas

yeah, but you won't be living there anymore, so you'll be able to laugh about it :)

nate

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Nate Nagel

Yea, I can't stand to live with or around dumb asses.

TDD

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The Daring Dufas

the T&P valve will open. thats no biggie, it might leak when reset

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bob haller

I understand that *operating* a water heater with the valves closed would be unwise, but one doesn't install a valve on a water heater so that it can be operated while closed. The valve is for closing when the water heater is offline to be serviced or replaced. This is like having a drain plug on a boat, you don't have a drain for when you use the boat, it is for when the boat is offline/out of the water!

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John

Well, they could have refunded "pro rata" and given you $33.00 for the one year you had left on the warranty.

When my water heater failed, I gained a new appreciation for hot water than has not quite faded after 16 months.

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Plague Boy

Possibly damaging the T&P valve. It's a safety valve not meant to open over and over again. When the valves are popped open more than a few times, they will tend to start leaking. Besides, if the valve doesn't go outside or to a drain, you will wind up with a very wet floor to mop.

TDD

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The Daring Dufas

TDD-

What's the big deal if BOTH valves are turned off while the water heater is in place?

How is that any different than when all the hot water valves at all the fixtures are off?

The water heater will heat the water to the temperature set by the thermostat & shut off.......just like it always does.

cheers Bob

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fftt

....... I understand that *operating* a water heater with the valves closed would be unwise......

How is that unwise & more importantly how is that any different than having all the hot water valves off at the fixtures (normal operating state)?

cheers Bob

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fftt

Why is the T/P valve going to open?

It will only open (when both inlet & outlet valves are closed) IF the water heater over heats due to a failed thermostat.

T/P valves only open when T or P exceeds limits.......

cheers Bob

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fftt

water still expands as it gets hotter. Not much, but it does.

nate

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Nate Nagel

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