Even a google group search for this topic doesn't seem to return as
many results as i thought it would.
I'm in a now 1 year old house with 3.5 bathrooms, one with a jaccuzi
tub. When we bought the place the builder suggested renting a heater
from the local energy supplier and that the 'big' one would be best
since we had the tub. So i believe we have a 50 gallon natural gas
powervent which costs us $20 (canadian) a month. We knew nothing
about water heaters when we bought the house.
Since we plan on staying in the house for a long time to come we're
trying to decide how best to save money. So there is the question of
the water heater. Continue to rent, buy it out from our energy
supplier, or buy one ourselves from homedepot and pay all the
miscelaneous installation and removal costs.
One would assume that buying will be cheaper than renting in the long
run but after reading enough online information i'm not totally sure.
A couple repair calls and you've spent a large chunk of money on
something that would have been covered under rental. We do have a
water softener so we're not as worried about mineral buildup damage
which seems to be one of the main reasons to rent.
How does one decide wether or not to buy a heater over renting?
Any thoughts appreciated.
I guess that was my real question. What is the expected lifespan of a
It's a 60 Gallon (just found that out) 2002 natural gas powervent.
If i was to buy it from my energy supplier which terminates all
rental and monthly fees it would cost the same as 3.5 more years of
renting. Since it's now 1.5 years old , 3.5 years from now i'd have a
5 year old water heater and would break even on cost.
If they're expected to be trouble free for 10 years, and possibly last
till 20 years, i can put up with a few repair bills and still come out
way ahead. Hopefully the fact that it's brand new and that i have a
water softner will get me more towards that 20 year goal.
The basic rule for all appliances is that you buy, never
rent. Even if you have to pay installation charges, which
are usually rediculous, you are far ahead buying compared to
renting. If you do the installation yourself you save big
money. Washer, dry, refrigerator, and freezers are simple.
Dish washers are a bit more difficult as you usually have to
move a water pipe. Water heaters require more connections
but are usually fairly easy to get to. All appliances can
be expected to last at least 10 years with no problems, but
often last for 15-20 years.
You are talking about a 60 gallon gas powered water heater,
right? Go to HD or electrical supplier and see what they
cost. I just looked not long ago but I can't remember if
they have a 60 gallon model. A 50 gallon model will cost
lest than $300 (I think that's an 8 year guarantee, but
expect at least 12 years no problem). Compare that to
buying what you have $20/month for 42 months more month $840.
You're worried about the other costs, right? Removal-
should be $0 as that is the owner will remove. If he
doesn't remove it, then keep using at no cost. Replacement,
is easy and costs practially nothing if you do it yourself.
You have three flexible water connectors (hot, cold,
overflow/safety) and you have 1 flexible gas pipe
connector. There is no special magic in making the
connections. You buy new connectors at $6-10 each and just
connect them with regular wrenches; turn on the water, turn
on the gas, and light the pilot. (or if you have an
electrical start you have to connect the electricity to it
and just turn it on). Oh, one other thing, you may have to
buy and add and extension to the gas exhaust flue.
A thought occured...
If this is an "extra" water heater, needed because of the use of an indoor
jacuzzi, why not just by any type of water heater that's cheapest, and plumb it
to the existing heater with a small circulator? Let the mechanics of the
existing heater do the work while the supplemental "heater" is used only for
it's additional storage capacity.
On 05 Nov 2003 01:34:50 GMT, email@example.com (HA HA Budys Here)
Thanks for all the advice everyone.
But no, this is just the one and only water heater. The jacuzzi isn't
a special indoor hottub or anything, it's just a two person bathtub
with jets that is larger than your everyday bathtub. I know we don't
need the 60 gallon right now. The reasoning was that once there were
4 of us in the house all trying to shower in the morning, a 60 gallon
would be good. But that's not going to happen for many years to come
so the large tank seems a waste. I assume it costs more to
continually heat 60 gallons than it would 50 gallons.
So my choices seem to be buying out the current 60 gal one from my
energy supplier for a slightly inflated price, or buying from home
depot which will need the tank and installation costs but i could get
a 50 gal instead. I'll put in a new faucet in the kitchen but i don't
know if i wnat to deal with installing a 50 gallon water tank. Now i
just have to find out how much a tank and installation costs.
Last question. We're on an energy efficiency kick. Front loading
washing machine, high efficiency appliances, etc. Is a Home depot
Water heater going to be en energy efficient model? Or do i have to
go looking somewhere else for a good one?
I'm in canada, don't know if that makes a difference.
Hey, if you are willing to install a new faucet, know that
installing a water heater is likely to be easier. My
experience is that faucets are more difficult that water
heaters just because the working room is smaller and there
are lots of different sizes and types of water connections.
I believe Home Depot has two different efficiencies (but it
may depend on your particular HD), with the higher
efficiency costing more. Don't limit yourself to HD, there
may be other electrical supply businesses that have the same
or other brands of water heaters at a similar price. I
believe that a high efficiency water heater will have an
electrical start (no pilot light) and you may find that the
increased efficiency is minimal.
A water heater is a rather simple thing. A really cheap one
isn't much different than an expensive one. At the high
end, the increased cost may be mostly for the guarantee
(which you will probably never use) than any improvements in
material or increased features.
Oh OK. So, is it common for utilities to actually "rent" appliances such as
water heaters? I've never heard of such a thing. My local gas company will GIVE
you a water heater or a boiler IF you promise not to switch to oil!
On 6 Nov 2003 05:07:08 -0800, firstname.lastname@example.org (Tony D.) wrote:
Yeah. I own the home. I rent the heater. If i decide to buy a water
heater i want to get this all out of the way before i think about
finishing the basement.
And i found out that a 50 gallon natural gas powervent costs $669
Canadian at home depot. and the same at Home Hardware. They only have
one version available. You can get natural gas non-powervent heaters
at home depot for $320, $440, or $550 for their three levels of
efficiency. But it seems powervent ones are expensive. With
installation costs of $150ish (i'm still working on my handyman
status) it's about the same price as just buying out my existing one.
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