Yea, but it doesn't say if they did it themselves, or had a
"professional" do it.
But there's a bigger issue with that story.
Water heaters are supposed to have safety valves.
Even if there were shut-off valves on both the inlet and outlet - and
they were both shut off,
Even if the thermostat fails and calls for continuous heat,
The over-pressure valve is supposed to kick in and prevent a pressure
buildup (and tank explosion).
Also note that it doesn't say if the tank is electric or natural gas.
So even the contractor "cheepy" outlasted the 9-year warranty that your
premium tank offers.
When we're talking about warranty and water heater, we're largely
talking about the fact that it's a pressure vessel and it can fail by
leaking. Other small differences (brass or plastic drain, anodes,
turbulators) really don't factor into differences in cost when looking
at 6 yr vs 9 yr warranties.
My heater is a GE "Smart Water" model GG40S06CVG, 36000 btu, plastic
drain, brass hi-pressure vent/valve. I think it has a turbulator. There
isin't much on the web about that model. I'm sure it's 6 years old by
The diff between 9 yr and 6 yr is inconsequential to me, and so is the
4K difference in BTU, so as far as I'm concerned you paid $92 extra for
a brass drain valve and an extra anode (maybe - have no clue how many I
Would I pay $92 for a brass drain valve and an extra annode? Probably
Would I pay an extra $1000 for dual exhaust, power windows, FM radio
with 8-track and air conditioning in the Impala vs Chevelle? Maybe.
For a stationary object that lives it's life without interaction (or
even visibility) with people and can typically provide service for 10 to
20 years, I dare you to explain how anyone outside of the manufacturing
and service industry can possibly have any idea how to appraise the
VALUE of something like a water heater when browsing the various models
in a retail setting like Home Despot, expecially when elements of it's
construction that have a direct impact on service life (the pressure
vessel itself) is not visible without significant disassembly or
deconstruction of the item.
And it's been well established that these "cheap" heaters can routinely
outlast their minimal 6-year warranty by a factor of 2 or more.
Your $92 is largely to finance the extra 3 years of waranty coverage - a
winning proposition by the manufacturer because I'm sure the statistics
would show that if a unit has lasted 6 years in the field without
failing then the odds of it continuing for an additional 3 years is
Tony Hwang wrote:
After years of consumer experience, you should have learned by now that
selling extra warranty coverage is highly profitable for the
manufacturer or retailer no matter what product we're talking about
(cars, electronics, water heaters, etc).
Me too. And after building at least 30 PC's I've gotten pretty good at
fixing them and see the value of experience when someone comes to me with a
PC they're tried to fix themselves. But I don't have that same comfort
level with plumbing and gladly will pay someone who does have a lot of
experience to do something like replacing a water heater. Yes, I could
probably do it myself if my life depended on it or if I didn't have the
money to pay a plumber. But that's not my situation.
You've described why I often buy two of something I consider a critical unit
like the DVR that's at the heart of my TV setup. When it failed, I swapped
the backup unit in in less than 5 minutes. If I had to buy a new one, it
would have involved rewiring, reprogramming all the remotes around the house
that control it via an IR repeater network, etc. It's something I learned
from keeping critical servers on line. You can't have enough identical
spares if you want to minimize downtime and all the futzing that comes from
shoehorning in an "almost identical" replacement.
It sounds like by watching him work, you know you've gotten your money's
worth. Hell, at my age schlepping a 40G water heater around isn't really a
good idea. Might end up costing way more than $1,000 in medical bills and
lost time. (-:
Yep. Hot water is a mission-critical function. Despite the noise from our
favorite resident troll, I think it's clear you made the right call.
Like I said earlier, an empty water heater is remarkably light. Me and
the wife carried ours from our pickup into the house and down into the
basement. Did the reverse for the old tank.
Enjoy your Obama-Care, with the $4000 deductible.
Makes me wonder why some people read and post to this newsgroup.
Why aren't you instead reading rec.cooking or rec.sewing or
When you get your propane barbeque tanks refilled and bring them back
home, do you call a certified pipefitter to connect it back to your
No, the coffee maker is a mission-critical function. Flushing the
toilet is a mission critical function. There are lots of things higher
on the totem pole in a home than having hot water.
There's no substitute for being a man and having confidence I guess.
I don't buy a warranty - I buy a water heater. And any GOOD product
will outlast it's warranty. And any heater with 2 anodes will cost
more than one with 1 or none - a brass valve will cost more than
Will it still be working and not leaking 18 years from now???
Mine very likely will, and it's already 3 years old. Like I said
before - I don't buy a warranty - I buy a quality water heater. The
quality water heater just happens to also have a longer warranty.
And I didn't buy an "extra warranty"
You are free to buy the cheapest junk you can find. I prefer to buy
"The bad taste of low quality lasts long after the sweet taste of low
price has faded from the palate."
"It is almost always more expensive to pay too little for something
than to pay too much"
I fail to understand your hostility and demeaning attitude toward those
who don't have the same skills as you do. Some people can do certain
things and some people can do other things. You will someday realize
how powerless you are and find yourself in need of assistance from
others. This is a good time to learn how to be humble so there will be
people willing to help you.
when people do really stupid stuff homeowners companies typically still pay but the new policy excludes the stupid move.
like a fellow who in attempting to cut down a tree brought down a 15,000 volt line, which dropped across a 120 volt line and took out over $15,000 dollars worth of tvs, vcrs and other electronic appliances....
homeowners paid the entire claim but added a complete exclusion for all tree trimming or tree work in the future.
the fellows wife figured everyone along that line was collecting broke appliances to get them replaced.
It is interesting reading the Internet. "They are not that heavy."
"And easy as pie to put in." "DIY for $300." Is that the ten gallon
size? "My water heater is leaking, what do I do?"
Changing a water heater is a big deal. A 40 gallon heater with soaked
insulation is a moose even drained. Old pipes that were sweated on
instead of using nuts can be a bitch, and more than one house has burned
down with some nimrod sweating new ones on or off. Where can I get a
$300 40 gal water heater? My last one was $600, a propane model. And I
paid the pro from the gas company $350 to install it. Beautiful work.
Hoses with nuts on them. Earthquake straps. He even cut a 24" square
piece of cabinet grade plywood for it to sit on "because he didn't like
the looks of the floor under it as being weak." He stained and
varnished the wood.
Changing a water heater ain't rocket surgery, but there is quite a bit
to it, many things that can go wrong, and they can blow from the first
floor foundation through the roof on the second story. They did it on
Mythbusters. Anything that can kill you deserves respect.
On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 11:31:17 AM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
I was thinking of posting that reply the other day too. It's been
claimed here many times that insurance companies deny claims all the
time because a permit wasn't pulled, the homeowner did something wrong,
etc. But I have yet to see one case cited. Not saying it never happens.
There probably are some extreme examples where they have done it, but
I don't believe it's the general case.
And you sure cannot speak for California either!California will make you
tear out anything that is not built on a permit before it can be sold.
Also they will pull your occupancy permit, leaving you a vacant building.
On Thursday, May 29, 2014 3:52:43 PM UTC-4, PaxPerPoten wrote:
Somehow I think that's an exaggeration too. Generally that which is built
compliant with code and can be inspected, they just make you go through the
permitting/inspecting process and maybe pay some penalty. For example,
if a permit is required for a fence, but the fence is otherwise compliant,
I seriously doubt AHJs in CA are going to make you tear it out and put in an identical one, which would be a huge waste and certainly dumb.
And if it what was done has some parts that can be corrected and then have
it pass, then you get a permit, make the corrections. You generally don't
tear it out. If however you've done something that is totally non-compliant,
can't be corrected, can't be inspected, etc, then I can see them making you
tear it out.
I also find it hard to believe that CA has some process whereby they try
to find everything that might not have been done with a permit, just because
the place is being sold. Sure, if there is something obvious, I can see
them finding that as part of the CO process, but in a day when the cops
don't even have time to catch
a lot of criminals, I find it hard to believe some inspector is going to
show up and try to match what's in a house to permits going back 50 years.
On Thursday, May 29, 2014 7:30:41 PM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
an identical one, which would be a huge waste and certainly dumb.
The tv show flip or flop with tarek and that gorgeous christina:) have epis
odes where they buy property at auction. when a unpermitted space turns up
they must remove the drywall from at least one side, inspect it, bring it u
p to code, get it inspected by the building inspector then replace the drwa
ll. some unpermitted stuff thats real junk gets demolished but thats the ex
ception not the rule.
I highly recommend the show, christiana is easy on the eyes, they make big
bucks, and the show is educational....
It can't be that difficult for folks to read their own policy, can it?
If the insurance company can prove fraud (i.e. the homeowner intentionally
burned his domicile to claim a loss), the insurance company will file a
civil suit (which will follow the criminal arson charges :-) to avoid payment
On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 12:53:17 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
I don't see why the insurance company would file a civil suit. They
can just deny the claim and if the policy holder doesn't like it, then the policy holder can sue the insurance company to try to force them to pay.
But the claim being made here is that they won't pay not for fraud,
but because the homeowner did some repair incorrectly, without a permit,
etc. Yet they clearly pay for all the other dumb things a homeowner
does, like smoking in bed and starting a fire. So, if it's so common
it would be nice to see some examples, which should be easy to find.
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