Are you for real? Doing back flips because WW is fighting a $7k fine, for
an employee getting killed?
I'll bet you really get your jollies off if you hear of mutiple fatalities
at a work place.
It wasn't an employee, it was a shopper. The death of anyone is irrelevant
to the ex post facto regulation that OSHA was trying to impose on Wal-Mart.
Had it been a Wal-Mart employee, I'd have sent a sympathy card.
By this response, you clearly didn't read the article _YOU_ posted. I
suggest you read it. Short version: It's about a clerk at one of their
OSHA becomes involved because, oh what the heck, you _should_ know. HINT:
The "O" stands for occupational.
You're absolutely right. I completely misremembered. Thank you for pointing
out my error.
I have no problem with OSHA being involved. I have no problem with the
agency promulgating rules to prevent this from happening again.
But, in my view, it is unconscionable for OSHA to fine Wal-Mart for
violating a regulation that wasn't in force when the incident occurred.
I have to go shopping for a card.
Any time there is a fatality within the work place, OSHA becomes involved.
Unfortunately, you're correct, common sense by management in the work place
will never be a regulation. Geez, if you have thousands of people waiting
for the doors to open, who needs any type of crowd control, when you have a
minimum wage worker told to open the doors. Management should set the
example, and have the CEO open them, without any type of crowd control
Of course their isn't, but do you think it was a reckless, disregard for
human life that caused this? The man was killed by a bunch of greedy
customers that wanted to be sure they grabbed the bargains. While it is
easy to look back and see ways to prevent this from happening, I'm sure the
store manager did not look at the situation and say "he may get killed, but
so what, we need the customers"
Just as the automobile was on the road for 60 or 70 years before someone
thought it would be a good idea to use set belts, store openings have been
happening for decades with no deaths so no one really though to take
excessive measures to prevent one. I'd hardly call it reckless disregard.
I don't think we know enough about the situation yet to draw that
conclusion. If the store is partly liable, the animals that wre outside the
door are equally or more liable for their unruly behavior. There should be
Store openings have been around just as long. Whatever measures they've
used for decades has worked in the past so it was deemed adequate.
Obviously, something more was needed in this case, but to call it reckless
disregard is over the top.
Actually Ed, we do know. There are several articles stating it was a
temporary seasonal worker. WalMart had this person open the doors, because
they were as big as a linebacker. WalMart did not provide any special
clothes/vests etc, so people would know these were WalMart employees.
Businesses have an obligation for employees to have safe working
conditions. If special training is needed, businesses should hire the
appropriate personnel, or provide training. You of all people should know
Don't know about that. WalMart thought it was over the top, when they got
hit with $49 million for disposing of Hazardous Waste in a reckless manner.
They had to pay it.
WalMart has a history of thumbing it's nose at regulations, treating women
differently, and several other employment violations. It's no secret, look
I do know that. What was not known or anticipated, however, was the amount
of training needed or danger the employee was in. What I do not understand
is that how you can call it "reckless disregard." In hindsight, of course
it is obvious more should have been done, but historically, it was not
needed in thousands of store openings around the country for many years.
Does Sear or Target offer special training for door openers? .
I was going to make some snide comment about these guys were inside
locked doors and the other people were outside which should have given
them a clue as to those inside being WalMart employees. But then I
realized we were talking WalMart.....
I want to find a voracious, small-minded predator
and name it after the IRS.
But big box places know their customers and are also notorious about
being understaffed with minimally trained folks. They are clearly the
ones who set the stage. Its not like this was a surprise that there
could be a stampeding herd. Group behavior is a well know thing. Thats
why they put panic hardware on exit doors for example.
How many employees have been trampled to death while working for
Walmart on Black Friday while wearing normal street clothes after
driving a Ford Taurus, wearing glasses, between the age of 22 and 33,
and living within a 10 mile radius of the store? What horse crap
People have been trampled to death by crowds for centuries. Seems
like I've heard on the news of someone, somewhere, being trampled and
severely injured or killed at some store having an post holiday
discount sale almost every freakin' year since I was old enough to pay
attention. For Walmart, or anyone for that matter, to act like this
never even entered the realm of possiblity is not only just plain
ludicrous, but so unbelievable as to destroy all credibility. Black
Friday is notorious ...nay, legendary.... for its hostile crowds
beating the crap out of each other to get a stupid piece of junk.
It's not even the first time Walmart has been in the news over
stampede injuries sustained on its premises. You think they are not
aware of the danger? Nobody is that stupid. It's coldly calculated
hysteria, purposely planned for the exact crowd resonse they acheive.
I dare you to argue otherwise.
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