Video Shows Kids Shocked In Hialeah Pool

Miami, FL
"...The video shows a little girl touch the hand railing and immediately she is shocked. Her father quickly reacts, getting shocked himself as he pulls her out. Her body appears lifeless. As the pool empties out, one child is still attached to the railing unable to move. Electricity makes your muscles contract which means you can’t move. That becomes quite clear when Freddie Cabrera enters the video. He reaches in for his granddaughter Daniella. As he touches her, he feels a charge which causes him to fall back as he’s pulling her out. His quick reaction may have saved her life."
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"Thus far a preliminary investigation has pointed to unconnected ground wires in the pool pump house. The wires are supposed to take electrical charges to the ground, away from the pool.
Crime scene photos show the wires hanging in the air rather than heading toward the ground."
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Three children were briefly hospitalized after the incident, which occurred at an apartment complex.
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On 05/23/2014 04:05 PM, Oren wrote:

I'm guessing the last guy in that electrical panel was not a licensed electrician.
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On 5/23/2014 4:36 PM, Jab Yarbrough wrote:

If he is, he may not be for much longer.
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On 5/23/2014 4:36 PM, Jab Yarbrough wrote:

After considerable thought, I think there is some merit in that view.
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On 05/23/2014 07:55 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

I know what I'm doing. I been doing electric work since I was 3 years old. I don't need no stinkin' electrical permit or inspection. It's just a money grab.
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On 5/24/2014 10:34 AM, Jack Legg wrote:

I'm shocked at you.
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Yeah, I saw this on TV. One man's arm flew up when he first tried to grab a kid.
They weren't all one incident, I don't think, and you have to give these guys credit, one of them a stranger or at least not family, for not being so frightened of something one should be at least somewhat frightened of.
It reminded me of trying to remove a spark plug wire while a car is running. It's really hard to do at first, but get's easier the more times you try, both in those 3 minutes, and I think cumulatively over the years. I don't know if my nevves just don't respond as much, or if I reach for the wire with greater expectation of the shock and greater determination to ignore it.

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I know a licensed electrician and I would not let him change the battery in a one cell flashlight.
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Per Ralph Mowery:

I'd say almost the same thing about the guy who installed 120v AC to our garden shed last year. I actually felt sorry for the guy.
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Oren posted for all of us...
And I know how to SNIP

Ping Greg Fretwell his line of expertise.
I got the impression they threw the inspectors under the bus. If they inspected and passed it who can say the jackleg asshole that did this 5 minutes after they left? i hope something good comes out of this.
The caretakers are to be commended for actually paying attention to the kids. Stories around here don't usually end this way; the caretakers are absent or on drugs, etc.
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wrote:

Health inspectors do not really do electric code inspections. I doubt many of them even have an electrical punch on their license. I agree it is a hole in the process.
I bet that changes. This is not the first time this has happened this year. (3 I think) I just popped the question to one of the chief building officials I know to see what they think
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On Sun, 25 May 2014 00:20:35 -0400, snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote:

How could you tell if these were the assigned lifeguards? I thought they were fathers, or in one case just a guy.
When I was 19 and we were at a motel, I jumped in the pool and again dislocated my shoulder. I was okay paddling to the edge of the pool with one arm, but my step-father noticed and was trying to help me. The lifeguard in the little pool was in his chair and gave no evidence of goofing off, but he didn't notice anything. (I didnt' ask for help, though. If I'd been below the surface or asking for help, he likely would have noticed.)

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On Sunday, May 25, 2014 5:15:41 AM UTC-4, micky wrote:

At a condo I lived at back in the 80's, a girl about 6 drowned in the pool. She was there with her grandmother and siblings. There was a lifeguard on duty and lots of other people at the pool. No one saw anything, until it was too late. I suspect the siblings were probably screwing around and did something to contribute to it, but no one knows for sure. You would think in situtation like that, even if something bad happened, there would be an excellent chance of reviving the person, because they were still on it very quickly, but sadly not in that case.
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wrote:

Most of these places do not have lifeguards. In fact I am not sure I have even seen a lifeguard at a pool in Florida. They may have them at a big municipal pool but not in apartments, condos and hotels.
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I hear competing stories about CPR being rarely helpful (I've only heard this one once) and of it often being a true lifesaver.

That's a lot of nerve. But these outragious stories spread fast and might have more merit than they sound, and probably are much rarer than they seem.
I think all states have good samaritan laws which require a high level of negligence before a volunteer is liable. But the opposing problem, legal or not, is that when one person starts to help, often others who know more won't. If the guy's wearing a tie, onlookers may think he's a doctor and a much better skilled person might wait quietly, waiting to see what happens, by which time it's too late. Perhaps a loud expression of how little training one has before he starts to help would alleviate some of that.
I also wonder about times when there is no fire but they pull people out of wrecks, people who might need back boards or neck braces, or not moved at all .
Someone once posted "According to my First Aid trainer.. the last time somebody got sued in Alberta(or even Canada was many years ago, a lady at the WEM parking lot was having a heart attack or something, 2 guys with first aid training stopped to help her, did CPR and in the process had to remove her blouse and bra (she was an older lady, and in first aid we're taugh go down to skin as shirt buttons/bras can start to cut skin, theirs and yours... plus if paramedics show up and use an AED they'll have to remove the clothing anyhow) anyhow she lived and sued because they exposed her breasts to the public the judge told her to take a hike and be thank full she's alive(or something to that effect)
He said the last guy to get sued and actually get crap for doing first aid was a guy with no training and he saw somebody choking so he did a trake.. when the judge asked why did he think he could do it, his answer was "I saw it on MASH" his missed and hit the corotted(sp.. you know the main artery in your neck) and the person died...
But that's based on what my first aid teacher guy said.. "
And in the movies, they always lift someone's head up. If he's losing blood, for example, isn't he better off with his head as low as the rest of his body, so it gets as much blood as possible?
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On Sun, 25 May 2014 11:15:09 -0400, snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote:

So by caretakers you just mean whoever was there, family or by chance, and took care. The word confused me.
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An article that brief is hardly worth posting, not by you but torklaw. I would expect a law firm to have someone reed the decision and give some details. Like I see in most onlline law reports from law firms.
And they didn't give the name of the case or any way to find it. That's inexcusable.
This makes me think they are ambulance chasers or worse. This was probably a particularly egregious case and didn't invalidate the law in most situations. Or maybe the whole thing is a lie.
My HOA has a new law firm, and they publish summaries of law cases, or at least they did 3 times in 2005 and 2006, but not since then. They don't seem to look at their own webpage, because as a client, it looks worse than if they had none. (But at least the 3 summaries they did publish were better than the one from torklaw.) The rest of ther page is bad too. (I know that there is no causal relationship between a bad webpage and a bad company, but still.)
Fortunately after 25 years, we finally have a new president of the HOA and they're talking about changing management companies and lawyers. I hope so.
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micky posted for all of us...
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I wrote caretakers, not lifeguards.
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micky posted for all of us...
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yes, did you see the video?
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