Time change due

[Oren]

Q: When does the time change back in October 2009?

A: November 1st 2009.

Confuse me once.

[stan]

Referring to change from summer to winter time. In North America? (i.e. USA-Canada.)

Not necessarily same date or even any change at all elsewhere.

Never saw the point of this summer time business anyway.

Since these days it's a world society/economy

Right now it's about 09.45h in London, around 01.45h in Los Angeles and about 06.15h here!

Some countries don't alter their clocks at all and some observe their sabbath on days other than than our (western) Sunday.

So what; it's all a human inventionto fit in with the earth's rotation in reference to the sun and seasons of the year!

If someone decided that we can all work on United Nations Time based on say New York, or Geneva etc. so be it.

[aemeijers]

You think you get confused? At work and in real life, I have to communicate with relatives and associates in other countries, that change on different dates in spring and fall. A real PITA. Good thing there are online lookups by country.

Bad enough that the planet follows this silly useless custom that saves nothing, but they should at least agree on one set of dates worldwide to switch back and forth.

If I was benign dictator of the world, canceling daylight savings would one of the edicts in the first couple of days. Want more daylight? Get up earlier.

-- aem sends...

[Ed Pawlowski]

I get up in the dark now so how will that get me more daylight?

The light to dark ratio changes with the season, but the start work in light or dark is not only a function of DST, but of your place in the time zone. Personally, I'd like to see the time shifted forward an hour, like it is in DST, year round. If I lived at the western end of the zone, I'd probably not care. My choice is to have the daylight time at the end of the work day, not the beginning, but others probably differ.

[HeyBub]

On United Nations' time, we wouldn't get any work done at all.

[Red Green]

stan wrote in news:8fc8fdb6-a010-4304-a0d0- [e-mail]:

Arizona in the US does not switch to DST. Yet within Arizona the Navajo Nation does.

[aemeijers]

Well, yeah, I do understand that one person can't unilaterally change the hours his employer is open. But that puts the onus on the employers, schools, whatever. Change the schedules to start earlier when dawn comes earlier, so your employees can have evening daylight to do whatever. Pretty routine in construction down south. Crews start at first light, to work in the cooler part of the day.

-- aem sends...

[Dimitrios Paskoudniakis]

Since about 2-3 years ago, it is now the first Sunday in November rather than the last Sunday in October previously since DST was introduced by the Nixon administration.

The Spring forward date is also changed as of a few years ago to several weeks earlier in March rather than first Sunday in April.

One effect is the kiddies now have to wait another hour to start their candy assault on Halloween, as it still stays light until 7:00 PM. In the old convention with end of DST in October, kiddies could start their assault at

6:00 PM.

[Doug Miller]

Yeah, I remember finding that a bit confusing when driving through AZ some years ago -- the time kept changing, and I didn't know why.

Hawaii also doesn't observe DST, and until quite recently neither did Indiana.

[Doug Miller]

You misspelled "Johnson" -- it was standardized nationwide in 1966.

It was also implemented, temporarily, during both WWI and WWII.

[harry k]

Try Idaho. I don't know what they do about DST but the south part of the state is in Mountain time, the northern part in Pacific Time. I have no clue as to why. The western border runs due N-S so why does the time zone take a zig?...Perhaps economics as the northern part is more connected to Washington state economically.

Harry K

[Roger Shoaf]

Try Idaho. I don't know what they do about DST but the south part of the state is in Mountain time, the northern part in Pacific Time. I have no clue as to why. The western border runs due N-S so why does the time zone take a zig?...Perhaps economics as the northern part is more connected to Washington state economically.

Harry K

I suspect that on one side of the line is Spokane and the other is Coeur d'Alene and there is not much in idaho east of Coeur d'Alene.

Several states have 2 time zones and seems that the areas of population density in adjacent states seem to be the reason.

[Stormin Mormon]

Like the old Indian saying. Only white man think cut some off one end of blanket and sew onto other end of blanket make blanket longer.

What other benign edicts? Forbid bottom posting?

[Van Chocstraw]

The whole time change thing is silly. As if we could change the rotation of the earth.

[DerbyDad03]

Just for fun...here's a little history on the subject, although it might be bent in the direction of the group advocating the suspension of the time change.

[cshenk]

"Stormin Mormon" wrote

Grin, actually I prefer bottom posting with clean-up (just easier to thread and read) but I'm not worried about it. In one of my newsgroups, we have lots of top posters because it's allowed explicitly, to support several of our buddies in there who use screen readers for the blind. (Some screen readers are difficult/almost impossible to position the cursor to the bottom).

Snicker, you might possibly remember one of them (who is able to bottom post in her case) who came to here for some expert advice on a project. She was making a baking table with a bottom shelf over her radiator for the rising station. It's working a charm I gather? I know she got all the plans she needed and has referenced the bake shelf since.

[Wayne Boatwright]

On Sun 11 Oct 2009 05:09:15a, Ed Pawlowski told us...

We don't observe DST in AZ and I'm fine with that.

[Doug Miller]

Most likely. There are a few counties in NW Indiana that are on Central time (the rest of the state is on Eastern) because of their proximity to Chicago. And back when we didn't observe DST, those counties, plus a few in the Cincinnati area, *did*, because of the economic connections to those cities.

[Josh]

It's a psychological problem -- I know ltime is just a number, but that number is deeply ingrained in our mind -- "9 to 5", "news at 11" (or 10), etc.

I'm a prime example -- I'm generally a night owl, and while I *love* Daylight Saving Time for the "extra" hour of light after work, I'd bristle angrily if my employer suggested that I come in at 7 instead of 8 for half the year. Yes, I know it's exactly the same thing, but I'd still have trouble with it (and often be late), and I suspect many many others are the same. I can look at a clock that says midnight, and know it's time to go to sleep regardless of the actual time, but I'd have trouble looking at a clock that says 11PM and convincing myself it was time to go to bed.

Perhaps if *everything* shifted, from TV schedules to evening classes to store opening/closing hours...but then it's really DST again :-)

Josh

[stan]

OK time to float my crazy idea! We should have one world wide time system. So zero hours in say New York (or Zurich, Moscow, London etc.) would also be zero hours 'everywhere' in the world. Much simpler? Midnight in New York is presently 01.30h in the morning here on the east coast of Canada and 05.00h in London! So what? With one World Time Zone, I'd soon get used to getting up when my clock read 05.30 instead of 07.00h, or having supper when the clock reads 16.30h instead of 6.00 PM! By the way it should be a 24 hour system not this weird 12 hour division! I notice that some people when travelling away from home will keep their watch on 'home time' so as to keep in touch with events they are used to. While the zone they may actually be in can be many hours ahead or behind! Living for while in the Middle East one was aware that early morning (6.00 AM) North American radio broadcasts available via the inter-net occurred at half past midday! Didn't matter what the clock said, that's when they were available! Flame away!