This was discussed repeatedly on Usenet when the TeleZappers came out-
many of the local telcos took a very dim view of them, because if anyone
got the fake warning and reported it as an outage, it was extra work for
phone company, not to mention they would sometimes lock your line out,
thinking there was an actual problem. Note that many of the robot call
machines quickly were reprogrammed to ignore the three tones.
Simpler just to screen calls with an answering machine, or (if you don't
mind enriching ma bell) pay for caller ID. I refuse to pay extra for
something the switch does anyway, just to feed a profit center, but that
is just me. (Same thing as when they brought touch-tone on line way back
when, and that exchange already had an electronic switch.)
Sorry if I ticked you off, Steve. I apologize. My question was more or
less rhetorical. I believe that I should not have to buy a $40 gadget to
prevent telemarketers from calling me, since they are intruding on my
privacy. I can fully understand you like the telezapper for your use,
and you are most welcome to it. This is still a mostly free society, and
people are free to market and buy anything they want. Again, I apologize
if I said my thing wrongly.
If you have an answering machine, you don't need
a TeleZapper. I have one or two by the way. What
you do is call a disconnected number and record
the whole announcement which usually repeats 2
times and at the end of each has the three SIT
tones "Special Information Tones". You use this
as your answering machine message, but you have
to let friends and family know about it. When
an autodialer detects the tones, it marks it as
a bad number in it's database and does not call
it again. This message also confuses the hell
out of the phone company. "We're sorry, you have
reached a number that has been disconnected or
is no longer in service........" Watch all those
tool free numbers dwindle on your caller ID unit.
Using the answering machine I was screening all my calls during last
Presidential election. I got 5-15 political calls each day,
eventually leaving the phone unplugged for 3 weeks. I'm on the "Do
Not Call List" (since April 2008) but it is exempt from political
campaigning. I guess I do not always have a right to a working phone
On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:54:21 -0400, in alt.home.repair, Phisherman
I'm beginning to wonder if I couldn't get one of those 900 numbers, where
the caller pays $$$ per minute for the privilege of talking to me. I'd have
to have a way to quickly make refunds to anyone I actually wanted to hear
from, but aside from that I'd listen to a telemarketer's pitch script all
day long, at $3.95/minute that is.
I have been getting the same receorded meesage for past months. "This
is an important message regarding your current credit card account.
We have made several attempts to reach you. This is your final
courtesy call before we are unable to lower your credit card interest
rate. Press 1 to speak to a member services department or press 2 and
your eligibility will expire." I have pressed 1 in the past in an
attempt to get the company name or phone #. Told service
representative not to call me anymore because I'm on the do not call
list, so representative hung up on me. Another time I asked to call
them back with a phone #, rep did not give a call back #. Credit
services may be a false name. This same recorded message still keep
on calling my home phone. I have pressed 2 before with no end in
this recorded message. I need to get at least a real company name or
phone # for do not call complaint to have a chance to be effective.
On 03/09/09 03:06 pm email@example.com wrote:
I had another such call this morning, but whether it was in fact from
the same telemarketer as the previous calls I have no idea. I selected
the option to speak to a representative, who told me her name and asked
for my phone number. I gave it to her and immediately said that I had
chosen to speak to a human being because I did not want them to call me
ever again. She replied that they would put me on the Do Not Call list.
Time will tell. I'll have to make a note of the number: (305) 836-7371,
which appears to be in Florida; is that the same number from which
others have received calls?
If I'm on the computer or something else that's easy to multi task, I take
the call. I act interested for about 30 seconds, then add a worried
sounding "Oh!, can you hold on for a sec?. . .", then put the phone down.
They will stay on for 30 sec or a minute, thus preventing them from
bothering others during that time.
Oh, I also ask them to send me stuff in the mail, but don't give them my
address. Presumably they have it already. I explain what with fraud and
all, not that they are, but I don't give out personal info on the phone,
but if they'd like to mail me the info, I'll take a look at it.
Nope. First, it doesn't matter if they're in your house, on the sidewalk, a
block away, or on the moon. Most jurisdictions hold that if you feel your
life was in danger, you have the right to respond with deadly force [without
regard to distance].
In some enlightened jurisdictions (mine, for example), it's even okay to
shoot them in the back. For example:
Texas Penal Code 9.42 Deadly Force to Protect Property. A person is
justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible,
(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is
(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary,
robbery,... theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing
burglary, robbery,... or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the
If someone is torching a church, for example, and refuses all your
entreaties to turn and face you so you can shoot them, what are you going to
Anyway, after you smoke the mope, just clean your gun and go back to
watching "Dancing with the stars" - there's no need to even call it in.
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