I will say that spanking is the last resort by any means, but sometimes
may be necessary and if so must be done not in agretion, by anger, but
in a controlled way. There are ways to do without doing harm but hurting
When I was young, there were times that if I had not been spanked (the
reasoning failed) I would have not thought about more carefully the next
time oppertunity arose to do something that I should not have. I would
have been in jail most likely instead I lived a very straight and
productive life so far and have developed a more deeper appretiation of
what my parents did and how much they cared. I never was physically
harmed, no bruises, but several but stings. Love my parents today more
than anything! Even then, I may have said I did not like the way they
made me have to do things etc, but even then I appreciated in a way that
they cared enough to make be behave, Gave me a lot of respect for them
and still do.
I see many more parents today, turn the other way not to notice what
their kids are doing, as long as the police are not coming to their
door, all is OK. They reason and when that fails they just go on
frustrated and the whole family will suffer. It is really a miracle some
kids do get it and do try to do what is best. I can not really blame the
parents directly, any problems and they are afraid that the government
will step in and take the kids away, put them in jail, ruin their lives.
I believe parents do care and love their kids very much no matter how
bad things are, but many just do not know what to do when the kids today
are taught that they can have anyone arrested if they do not get their
way by just making up some sort of abuse story to get even (kids do not
think of consequences, they just act on their anger and the time). This
is terrible since it is over shadowing the real abuses that happen.
We have a problem in this country were traditional and cultural values
are being broken down, then society wanting the government to solve all
our problems for us. by treating over powered government entities
without anyone else overseeing their operation many times is to blame
with disrupting the family at their will do to any, even many times
false, allegations of abuse and many times today, abuse from within that
system of government itself.
OK, jumping off the soap box now......
You sound like an ignorant red-neck. No wonder
most American kids act like undisciplined babies
if they have parents that expect so little of them
like you. In much of the world, 16 year olds are
father and mothers a part of the adult community.
The missing bit of information is that the American hand-motion for "get
out of here" is *exactly* the Japanese/Chinese/Korean hand-motion for "come
closer". The redneck waved the Jap kid away, so the kid came forward and
got shot. Simple explanation.
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with so many 2 parents working, and kids in daycare, the children arent
getting taught values, they are just kept from hurting themselves.
this disengration of the american family produces all sorts of trouble,
made worse by tv being a babysitter. tv showing murders, rapes etc
sadly kids today dont know its bad.........
If you recall, which you don't appear to, you implied that an innocent 16yo,
who was murdered for turning onto the wrong walk, was wrong and deserved his
Just so you know, our own children are hard-working, successful,
church-going adults now, with children of their own. Those children are
being raised to the same decent moral standards their parents were taught.
Am I a failure in your eyes because not a one of them has yet murdered
someone else's child for sport? If that's the case, tell me how many they
have to kill to become good citizens in your eyes, and I'll try to get the
shooting started right away. Random is okay, right? Or maybe you can
suggest some targets for them? Maybe some kid bouncing his basketball too
loudly, or wearing his pants too low?
American kids aren't the problem. It's nervous old men like you, who want
the world to always be the way it was, and who feel left behind when they
fail to adapt. That makes is the kids' fault? Our population is changing
rapidly; getting both darker and more Asian with every passing moment.
That's not going to stop because you don't particularly care for it, so try
to be a bit more welcoming.
I'm not the redneck in this discussion, and it has no business in this
newsgroup anyhow. The OP was wanting to defend a shed, not murder little
boys. And you really should take a closer look at American kids, because the
generation coming up looks just fine to me.
To the OP: When my motorcycle was stolen from a locked garage that's out of
sight from the house, this is what I did.
I picked up an omni-directional microphone and a tag-sale guitar amplifier.
The microphone dangles from the ceiling of the garage, and the amp is on
whenever the light isn't. Just rattling the door makes a horrendous noise
now, and it's audible for several hundred feet in all directions. Everyone
knows when I insert the key in the lock, for instance. When I did this, I
moved the light switch inside the door down near floor level; just somewhere
Oh, the amp is placed facing out of the gable-end vent, which is slotted.
My investment was about $50, and nobody can enter that garage undetected
It depends on how fast you can talk to the cops afterwards. If you
can't convince them that you had "reasonable person" cause to think you
or your family were in deadly danger it's the gray bar hotel. Same as
someone breaks in threatening you, shoot on the way in but not as he is
If you own a gun for home defense, the law in your state is something you
should know. Ask your attorney who he/she would call if they had to shoot
someone in their house. It's usually a criminal lawyer you'll need to call.
Call that lawyer and spend the hundred bucks for the short conversation so
you understand your laws.
Unfortunately, you may be at the mercy of the 54%, who, like smarter people,
are allowed to sit on a jury. Some will fall for the "How did Mr. Jones know
for sure that the intruder was a threat?" nonsense. You really need to know
Yeah he has to be alive and moving, and the person
should not be your wife, your girl friend, your
kids, and definitely not your mother-in-law.
Forget all that if the person is from California,
shoot till your ears ring.
You say this, but you seem to know nothing. You can get into serious trouble
by shooting someone unless you can convince the authorities that you were
in serious threat of bodily harm. All your bluster is nothing more than bluster.
Not bluster, necessarily. You said earlier that you weren't exactly sure of
the laws in your state. So, you're making just as much of a blanket
statement as he is. However, the facts tend to be conclusive, when you can
find them. For instance, one source is the monthly NRA magazine, which
publishes excerpts from news reports around the country, detailing incidents
where people *IN THEIR HOMES OR BUSINESSES* used guns to stop bad guys. It's
very rare for citizens in such situations to be charged with anything at
Most home invasions occur when nobody's home. The police tend to agree with
law-abiding citizens about one thing: If someone breaks into your home while
you're there, it's highly likely that they are either dangerous by choice
(armed and ready to hurt you if necessary), or they are not sane. This
eliminates any nonsense about finding out first if the person is a danger to
you. The logical assumption is that they are. In most states, you may then
do whatever you feel is appropriate, as long as the intruder is IN YOUR
DWELLING. Not your yard, not your driveway, not your garden shed. In the
house, you are not required to retreat to a safe room, although that's not a
bad idea. You are not required to get out the bandages if you shoot someone.
Matter of fact, the police generally prefer that you stay away from the
intruder until help arrives, since heavily drugged people can be oblivious
to pain and may still be dangerous.
These are not nice things to think about, which is why people like to
believe they're not true. Yes, the laws vary a bit from place to place, but
the general idea remains pretty consistent. Nobody expects citizens to greet
an intruder in the middle of the night and simply ask them to leave. That's
I wonder if it applies to stray dogs. If yes, I wish we had that here. :-)
Meanwhile: In Sag Harbor, Long Island, it's illegal to walk your pig within
the village's business section on Sundays. Heavily enforced, I'm sure.
So far as I know, so long as you are in an area where it is legal to
discharge a firearm (perhaps out in the country) and you've told your
neighbor to keep his dogs off your property, then yes, it is legal. So
far as I know.
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Here, it's sort of that way. Sort of. It depends on whether the dead dog is
actually found. In my neighborhood, things are too close together to use a
firearm, so we call animal control until they can't stand the nagging any
more. They come over, do nothing, and then we call them some more. Finally,
we go to a judge, who reminds the animal control idiot that the law requires
him to remove the dog from the owner after 3 complaints.
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