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Maybe you can list some of his baggage. All I've heard is 4 of his companies went bankrupt. 4 of how many, perhaps 100's of companies he's owned all or part of? The only reason you hear about it is because of the Trump Name that's attached. If Joe Schmo went bankrupt for the same amount the only people who would ever hear about it are Schmo's creditors and people who read the legal ads in the back pages of legal ad newspapers. What other baggage does he have... that he hires LOTs of smart woman and pays them well? I'm still waiting for the news media to come out with a story to refute his statement to that affect. So far nothing. Or is his baggage that he speaks him mind? Damn, I'd hate to have a president that doesn't lie all the time, whatever would we do knowing what the president actually thinks about something. Or maybe the baggage is that he's rich and doesn't try to pretend he isn't. I'd be interested in your list of his baggage.
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Per Ashton Crusher:

The baggage I was referring to is small contractors who were ruined after they did jobs for him and then were told flat-out "I'm not paying you".
OTOH, the fact that it is common knowledge among contractors in Atlantic City does not make it true.... but if it is, and the opposition trots out a few of those guys on national TV...
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That's it? can you point me to some reports on this so I can see the complete context of what you are talking about.
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Per Ashton Crusher:

Yep and nope..... it's strictly from conversations with guys in the trade that I know.
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On 8/25/2015 3:37 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

For me, I don't much care what a person's baggage. The people I've known well enough to open up, everyone has some thing s/he is ashamed. In many cases, it's a part of growing up. In some cases, people are misguided, crappy parenting, periods of depression and desperation.
What I care about elected officials is honor, and working within the US laws and constitution.
Hey, is anyone on the ticket a seal clubbing, woman hating spigot who is also a bigot and pushed granny off the cliff in her wheel chair, feeds oldies dog food, spends his off hours molesting little boys and watching old Lassie episodes, so I can vote for someone with some thing in common with me?
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On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 08:56:20 -0400, Stormin Mormon

Don't try and make yourself look good now.
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On 8/27/2015 10:11 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote:

Don't piss me off, or I'll go vote Republican a couple dozen times.......
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Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us...

What about the Billary supporters?
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On 8/25/2015 9:34 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:

Sooner or later, the adults will step in and direct attention towards issues that will effectively cut his legs out from under him. His problem is: he has too big a mouth so has said too much that is now a matter of public record. Any *thinking* voter will eventually get nervous: well, he's saying what I want to hear, NOW, but he's said other things as recently as...; what's to stop him from flip-flopping yet again (and leaving me STUCK with exactly the thing I want LEAST?)
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I suspect that the high tolerance for what he's said already says that the people are looking for someone who isn't a politician in the Whitehouse. Out of all the cookie-cutter conservative, he stands out. People are not only NOT turned off by his lack of PC, they LIKE him more for it!
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On 8/25/2015 2:22 PM, Robert Green wrote:

It's easy to *say* anything that you think others want to hear you say! Look at how many conservative midwesterners voted for party members that worked *against* their financial interests (Ooops!).
When Gingrich et al. took the House, they made lots of claims/promises. But, after tasting the power of the majority, decided they didn't want to actually *implement* all those things -- because THEY would now be the victims of them! (it was OK to espouse them when the other party would suffer; but not when *they* would suffer!)
Until you can put in place a BINDING PLEDGE that can be applied to politicians, what they say has absolutely nothing to do with what you *get*!
"I, _________, pledge that I will do the following. In the event that I fail to get this done (regardless of whether its MY fault or someone else's fault), my term of office will immediately expire -- with no further action on my part!"
Is Trump arrogant enough to make such a binding statement? About *anything* he's claimed he'd "do"? Or, will he get mealy mouthed when/if he gets elected and blame it on "That Damn Congress", "Those Bozos in the Black Robes", "unforeseen events elsewhere in the world", etc.?
We have a local politician that made the (then new) "garbage fee" the centerpiece of her campaign. "Vote for me and I'll repeal the garbage fee!"
Lo and behold, she's elected. And, not surprisingly, comes to the "realization" that the fee is required to get the books to balance (otherwise, we'll have to raise some OTHER tax). But, her flip-flop isn't *her* fault -- despite the fact that it is exactly the opposite outcome than the one she campaigned on!
[No consequences]
How about *real* term limits? In order to serve in the federal government, you need a WORK VISA for Washington, DC. (even "staffers", K street lobbyists, etc.)
WORK VISAS are issued for a maximum, nonrenewable period of 8 years. I.e., after sucking on the public teat for 8 years (directly or indirectly), you need to go find REAL employment.
Or, better yet, immediately are enlisted in the military as an infantryman -- regardless of age or gender. :>
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And they've been getting elected on those promises for decades. One thing about Trump is that he may have the ability to get otherwise stay at home voters to go to the polls. From the NYTM piece I quoted before:
<<The Civis poll also hinted at a potential problem for Mr. Trump: states that allow only registered Republicans to participate in nominating contests, including Iowa and Nevada. He was at 14 percent among registered Republicans in the states with party registration, compared to 18 percent of the voters who were unaffiliated with a party. As expected, Mr. Trump performed best among less-frequent voters. He had the support of 22 percent of Republican-leaning adults who did not vote in the 2012 general election. But he still held an edge, with 15 percent, among registered Republicans who had voted in a primary since 2008.
?Whether the person voted in two or eight or 12 elections, Trump leads,? Mr. Aida said.
His falloff in support when infrequent voters were sifted out was not unique: Support for some of Mr. Trump?s rivals, including Mr. Bush and Mr. Carson, declined by similar amounts, or even more, among the most frequent voters, Civis found.>>
The article suggests that Trump could rouse all the conservatives AND some of the Democrats that stayed home in the last election.

They write the laws of the land and so we can expect to see them implementing that pledge when the world is just about to end. If then.

If elected he'll probably discover as many have before him that the power of the Presidency is really rather limited.

A story that's been told and retold ever since politicians had to stand for election. Or, as the old saw goes: "How do you tell when a politician is lying to you? Their lips are moving."
When the press asks questions about Hillary's hairdo, you know that they're almost incapable of addressing hard issues.
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On 8/25/2015 3:41 PM, Robert Green wrote:

There are no consequences to empty promises.
When I sign a contract, my client *might* be "understanding" if a vendor that I relied upon was located in New Orleans when Katrina struck. *But*, he'd be expecting me to have some *plans* in mind as to how I am going to continue TO FULFILL MY CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS (i.e., promises) to him. Sympathy/understanding only buys you so much.
And, for anyone to go into politics thinking that the rules/way of doing business somehow will NOT apply to them is *beyond* delusional! It would be like a cop complaining that people were SHOOTING at him! (Well, gee, didn't you sort of think that was a very real possibility when you chose that line of work?) Or, teachers complaining about kids being unruly (d'uh...)

Did it account for the number he'd rouse to vote *against* him? :>
E.g., the Republican game plan, of late, has been to rouse the base and work to disenfranchise those likely to vote for their opponent.

Yeah, but they'd still have a caveat: e.g., "unless, of course, the world DOESN'T end -- in which case, this pledge is null and void!"

Exactly. Folks thinking that his *claim* to be able to "bill Mexico for the wall", etc. are either incredibly naive, stupid or just wanting to wrap themselves in feel good, emotional rhetoric -- with no concern as to the likely *reality* that would follow.
It will be somebody ELSE'S fault when he can't "deliver".

But look at the voters! What do they *expect* from these politicians? (Ans: nothing!) You need a "market" (demand) for information before you can *get* information.
If you just want to be entertained, then lets turn the debates into a giant FOOD FIGHT! I'm sure *that* would be entertaining! :>
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On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 17:27:20 -0700, Don Y

You are just in overdrive looking for ways to justify voting for the same old shite politicians that have a consistent record of failure rather than vote for the one guy who has been a success in virtually everything he's done.
What will Trump's number one priority be if he wins the White House? It will be to be a WINNER. Which means he will want the country to look at his programs and LIKE what he's doing. And by country I don't mean the oligarchs who normally control both the legislative and executive branches of gvt.. I mean the actual citizens. He's not going to be doing crazy stuff that will make people dislike him and he won't need to because no one will be pulling his strings like happens with the current crop of losers he's running against.
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On 8/25/2015 7:30 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote:

Hey, BOZO! You have no idea what my current past or future voting record is, has been or will be. I'm making a point. I can just as easily argue the other side! (could *you*? Or, would it turn your stomach to even *consider* there might be an "other side"?)
I can just as easily claim you're a fat, old, lazy white man who is upset that the world isn't the way it was in 1950. Grumbling about all the lazy blacks, latinos, jews, asians, gays, women, kids, etc.
Conservative: someone with both feet planted *firmly* in the PAST!
If you want to be a Trump fan-boi, so be it. Why not fill out your ballot *now* and tune out of the process for the next 18 months? Do something productive with your life, eh? Hey! Why not volunteer to be one of Trump's legions!!! I'm sure he'll appreciate the free labor!
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On 8/25/2015 10:50 PM, Don Y wrote:

Conservative (lower taxes, and government limited by the Constitution) is the only way to save the country from destruction.
Conservatives are the possible salvation of this formerly great Nation which has been turned to a socialist welfare state.
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On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 19:50:54 -0700, Don Y

So now you are saying all the stuff you posted was just made up for effect. Good to know.
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On 8/27/2015 7:13 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote:

It's intended for folks who are *so* convinced they have The Right Answer to BACKUP their answer. With something more than "he's yet proven himself to be AS BAD AS the others".
[I make the same arguments to folks arguing from the "Left". If you're so *sure*, convince me -- with something more than "well, he's none of the above!"]
Assume you have need of a surgeon. Damn near every surgeon who's got ANY experience has probably got some "bad history"... some surgery that went badly, some malpractice lawsuit, etc.
Your argument is that you should select the surgeon with NO experience to do your surgery -- at least he isn't KNOWN to have had any bad outcomes!
[Would you *really* make that sort of decision in that way?? Yet, you'd select the leader of The Free World] with that sort of cavalier reasoning??]
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On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 14:40:38 -0700, Don Y

I find it interesting that we have a slate of candidates, not including Trump, with a history of not doing anything they say the will do and not accomplishing anything but growing gvt and reducing our freedoms. But the big complaint about Trump, who has no such history, is that he will not do what he says. Why would you vote for those other clowns who we KNOW won't do what they say instead of someone who has yet to prove they won't???
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Don Y posted for all of us...
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None of the candidates could do this. How could one tell what another one is going to do? To many factions working against each other.

She obviously didn't know what she was getting into.

There are term limits. Every election. Most sheeple don't care after they elect someone. They don't pay attention any more. Only if the critters get caught with their hand in the cookie jar. Ask most voters about incumbents and the answer will most likely be: They are doing a good job.
If you are referring to federal workers then this is way out of bounds. People (I will use Oren here as an example w/o permission) just do their jobs within the limitations of the system. It is like working privately; you will have workers and bosses across the spectrum of capability. Deal with it. They just want a job to survive and have a respectable life with their families.
If you are referring to staffers then they go in & out with electees.
If you are referring to drones and lobbyists then who is in control? My frame of reference is the VA for this. Yet another story this morning about vets being ignored, I forget where. I had high hopes for this person whom was supposed to fix it. He is another appointee of this do nothing administration to plug the publicly hole and hasn't done crap for vets. What exactly happened to improve conditions for our vets? Name them. When I see the non-profits dissolve because they are no longer needed then maybe we will see progress. Christ, there are so many of these that it is hard for me to chose where to leave my legacy. The vets gave it all so I can rant about this!
I want politicians to be responsible to the local voters that elected them. Not some devious party agenda. I check their voting record and write to them to express my opinions asking where they are going with current issues.
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