On Sat, 12 Dec 2015 09:17:02 -0500, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Just another example of using rules which were originally intended for
safety to get their hands into your wallet and fill their own pockets.
They know that some people will actually be stupid enough to buy the
permit. But think about this.... How are they going to know if you
replaced an outlet or switch??? Unless they have detailed photos of
every room in your home, they wont even know if you change a light
On Sat, 12 Dec 2015 15:16:41 -0600, email@example.com wrote:
I changed all the switches and outlets to CoALR before the
inspection but did not install the GFCIs because electrician said I
didn't need to (very recent change) - so I needed a permit to get the
re-inspection. First inspector was very understanding and granted me a
no fee permit and no re-inspection fee.
Indeed. Looking more closely that article appears to be from 2002. My bad.
So does that mean a sump pump *has* to be on a GFCI? I can see some
seriously bad results arising from putting a sump pump (or a refrigerator)
on a GFCI. Having said that, I haven't had a nuisance trip from a GFCI in
quite some time and I now wonder if the refrigerator that was causing the
trips wasn't actually suffering from real current leakage.
On Sat, 12 Dec 2015 05:31:09 -0500, "Robert Green"
I have investigated a couple of these refrigerators that trip GFCIs
and they do have internal shorts in the compressor. I put them on a 2
to 3 adapter, the old one with the pigtail and put a scope with a
current probe on the pigtail. There is definitely current spiking on
the ground. It is not enough to trip a breaker but it does trip the
If you cut open the freon line, you will smell the burnt freon.
I dont have the recent code so I cant know for sure if this Exemption
was eliminated. And I did work for an electrician years ago, so I do
support following the code. But I think the code has gone overboard in
recent years and some of their rules are senseless nit-picking, and a
few are downright wrong.
If a GFCI is now required on a sump pump, THIS is WRONG.....
Granted, safety for people should come above and beyond protecting
property, but there are situations where they need to look at common
sense. This is one of them. A person is more likely to get electrocuted
in a flooded basement, than one that is not flooded, because a sump pump
is keeping the basement dry.
When I lived in a house that had a sump pump, I ALWAYS UNPLUGGED IT,
when I was doing maintanance on it, such as cleaning the pit. Whenever
an electrical cord enters water, a person should uplug the cord before
contacting the water. That's just common sense. Yet, it seems our
schools dont teach stuff like that anymore, and we now live in a society
full of idiots..... That apparently is why the code keps getting
However, there are two instances where I will NOT use a GFCI. A
Refrigerator/freezer and a Sump Pump. You can move the fridge to a place
that dont require a GFCI, but you cant move a sump pump. However, there
are cheating methods. You can get a 14ga (or heavier) extension cord and
plug the sump pump into an outlet located on the first floor of the
house, rather than in the basement. Or just install a non-GFCI outlet on
the ceiling above the pump, label it "SUMP PUMP ONLY - DO NOT UNPLUG",
and if the inspectors come, tell them it was like that when you moved
in. It's not like they are going to put you in jail for it. The worse
they can do is make you install a GFCI. Many inspectors wont even notice
it, if your electrical system is in decent shape.
I'm not going to risk flooding my basement over a code rule that is not
in the best interest, and should be changed.....
Sometimes consumers need to speak up as well as electricians when it
comes to these codes. Just because it's written in a book, dont mean
I should make mention that many years ago, I lived in a house that was
prone to basement flooding. After a heavy rain, that sump pump ran
On Sat, 12 Dec 2015 22:02:30 -0500, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Okay, if you say so. Our basement when I was little was wet a lot
and the big room wasn't used for anything. I wonder if it has a sump
pump yet, or if they did anythign to keep it dry in the first place.
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