As a result of a home inspection an issue was brought up on our
relatively new home.
The inspector's concern was that the lally columns under the main steel
beams in the house were not attached to the beams. They have flanges
that have been hammered up and around the beam. According to him they
should be either bolted or welded to the beam. I got an inconclusive
answer after a call to the local building inspector who in the end
thought that the wrap around method was ok.
Any thoughts as to which opinion is correct?
Here are some pictures of the beams in question
No way is that going to move. I see no problem with it. All the pressure
is downward. If the kids bang into it playing around, nit will not move.
Sound like the inspector just want to cover his ass and does not understand
I have the same attachment, and have seen many houses with this method used.
As long as the beam is mechanically attached to the floor joists, there
should be no lateral forces to be concerned with. I think the house
inspector is trying to make his own standards for you to follow, or, even
worse, he is unaware of the different construction methods used in
The wrap around clamp method is certainly ok in most cases. In a high
earthquake risk area perhaps not, but otherwise very unlikely to shift.
The quick, easy and cheap way to fasten them to prevent shifting is with
a powder actuated fastening tool (blank powered nail gun) and the
correct short pins (nails) for steel which should be about 1/2" long
with a crosshatch pattern on the shank. You can fire four of these
through the column flange into the beam flange in seconds and they will
insure that the flange can not ever slide under any sane level of force.
The shear strength of those pins is thousands of pounds each.
ypou could get them welded or tack welded
you a buyer or a seller?
I had a home inspector note NO GFCI on garage sump pump, I had GFCI
installed but deal fell thru.
Next buyers home inspector noted you shouldnt have a GFCI on a sump
Either way I lost:(
Now wait a minute! As a seller home inspectors are a PIA:(
As a BUYER though they can run down the price....
A + + for buyers:)
A BIG MINUS for sellers.
Plus they are inexpensive and may find things buyers friends may
they have their place..........
I feel pretty competent looking at homes but would definetely hire a
inspector if I were buying another home
I grew up in the business, so have the technical knowledge to do my own, but
paid 350 for an inspection anyway. It didn't really tell me anything I
didn't already know, but dropping that thick report on the table was a good
negotiating technique. Having an 'official certified opinion' about the
defects probably saved me 10-12 k on the price.
Now I finally feel good. I didn't hire one.
As to beams and post, the OP is lucky that the flanges were hammered
up and around. Mine are still sticking straight out, and I hang
things on them. :) Should I hammer them up and around?
OTOH, my base seems pretty good. It's underneath the cement floor.
Does that mean it is only a half inch underneath, or is the bottom
flange of the post all the way below the cement floor?
There is also a lolly column at the bottom of the stairs that they
built a box around. At least I hope there's a column in there. :)
HO HO HO a home inspector would of probably caught that.
When its time to sell your home it and all sorts of wierd stuff will be
a issue. when your a seller the buyer and his inspectoir will drive you
The mortge industry is close to requiring a home inspection for every
If someone buys a flawed home they mght walk away, so mortage wants you
to buy a good home.
times have changed we are sue happy and a generation ago it was very
rare to hear of someone walking away from home.
If housing prices tank say 20% from natural or man made disaster, like
hurricane or terrorist I wonder what the default rate will be? I owe
more than its worth may drive prices down futher...
You know, I'd never seen a post or flanges before (or maybe I had in
other basements, but never noticed) and I gave a passing thought to
those flanges. It didn't seem like wrapping them around the I-beam
would do much, so I never looked into it. It's not that I actively
thought about wrapping them around, but often all I do is look at
something and ways to finish it occur to me. Not this time.
Hmmm, now that I've clamped an excercise bench to the lolly post,
maybe it is all the more important that I hammer them around ???
Fortunately, I never actually exercise. The fun thing was setting it
up and replacing the missing parts (hamfest purchase). Exercising
itself would tire me out.
I'm almost 60. Maybe I should do this stuff before I'm 80 and it might
be too difficult**. Or maybe I can live in this house until I die and
it's someone else's problem.
**I plan ahead. I may need surgery on my other shoulder. The plan was
to decide by the time I was 60, because they put it in a sling for 6
weeks, and it was a lot of work to get back full mobility on the first
shoulder even when I was 32. I don't feel any older, but I know aging
is inevitable. In this case the shoulder has only been dislocated
three or four times, once or twice 35 years ago, once 27 years ago and
once 17 years ago, and feels pretty good. (the other one never felt
strong, even when it hadn't come out for 10 years) So I'm not going to
do the surgery and hope it doesn't get worse.
Yes, although there are protections against stock market trading
causing a crash, there are lots of other possible serious problems.
I buy stuff at hamfests too although I am nor a HAM.
bought 2 computes for 10 bucks 6 years ago, made one good one out of
them its still going strong today for a friend although hot temps cause
power supoly issues. I offere to replace it with a newer used one she
is content as is.
about a month ago bought a sony cam corder with steady picture for 25
bucks spent extra 10 for new battery. came with everything but
manual.even carrying cases
long term loan to a friend with a 2 year old, I will borrow it if I
have a need:) heck it even camne with eight blank high 8 tapes.
I QUIT going to dayton:( Got screwed too often, power supplies with
room for rent stripped of parts etc:( Stll miss dayton but I do much
better at local hamfests....
The wrap around connection is perfectly fine as everyone including the
local building official noted.
Welding or bolting the connection requires a fair amount of time, effort
and in the case of welding, power and equipment. The nail gun method
will requite little effort or time and you can rent a very good Hilti
nail gun at Home Depot for a few hours to do it.
Since it is an unnecessary addition of value only if the report of the
less-than-qualified home inspector make you nervous, the cheapest "fix"
is best to avoid wasting even more money than you already have on the
Assuming power is available for the welder. The Hilti nail gun is still
faster and easier and less equipment to lug since I haven't seen any
welder as light as a nail gun. Either will certainly work.
Er, no. The mounting holes, which are already in the flange anyway, are
outside the load bearing area, particularly given that fact that it is a
steel beam. The load bearing capacity is unaffected by the holes.
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