Once they asked me for a card number (to be sure we were talking about the same receiver). There was no mention of a phone connection. Those receivers were just a couple of feet apart, but they could have been hundreds* of miles apart (and I wrote the card numbers down here) and they'd never know.
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The RIAA is going after people making copies of mp3's while 2 million people are crossing the border illegally each year. It boggles my little mind.
Terry wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:
No,because you may not have gone to the game anyways;didn't want to deal with the traffic and crowds.(besides the tickets being overpriced,and good seats already taken by corporations)
there's BIG MONEY in having illegal immigration,for some..... makes MP3 file-sharing peanuts.
Good for YOU!
Those fancy RV's have rotating sat dishes and folks watch as they travel. Isn't life great. Have DTV on the road and in the home :)
-- Oren
"I didn?t say it was your fault, I said I was blaming you."
Bull Malarkey. Wasn't the smart card just brought to market in 1999?
From '99 - ' 01 hackers had the upper hand on DTV. Why would a hacker of digital signal, even be talking to DTV? It certainly would not be because the receivers still in the market were hackable. The reason DTV asked for the information and numbers.
DTV launched an electronic counter measure (ECM): known as Black Sunday ( Super Bowl '01) They fought hackers, until Rupert Murdodck bought the mess.
Yes, they did ask for receiver and card numbers during the War!
"It turned all these cards into ice scrapers," says a California pirate.
-- Oren
"If things get any worse, I'll have to ask you to stop helping me."
Who said anything about hacking? I don't hack nor did I hack back in the day. Every now and then there'd be a reason to call them... say, the locals dropped off a set for some reason. I'd call and they'd do whatever they do to get it working again. We never talked about any of the other sets. Nor were any of the sets plugged into a phone line. They're still not.
Yes -- we have four receivers (Living Room, 2 Bedrooms, hobby room), and about two months after installation we got a call auditing our use of the receivers, asking for a couple of code numbers out of the software for each receiver. This required going to each room, turning on the system and getting setup info on the screen. Being careful and not sure who was actually calling, I wouldn't answer their questions and asked for their phone number. Then I called Dish TV (my provider) but their customer service wasn't aware of what was happening (so I didn't return the auditer's phone call). Two days later my satellite service was shut off, even though I was paid up. I called CS again, they transferred me to the audit company, and we went through our system receiver by receiver. They told me at the time that they would shut down any receivers that couldn't be audited and would start charging a monthly fee to have them reinstated. Within an hour of the end of the audit satellite service was restored.
The audit was not particularly friendly (I won't go into details, but they appeared to be starting from the position that I was cheating on them by having receivers spread out in several houses.) There have been a few times when I have seriously considered terminating the Dish TV service, and this was one of those time. If I hadn't had a lot of my money already tied up by purchasing the Dish receivers, I probably would have moved to Direct TV at that time. I did make a formal complaint to Dish TV Customer Service about this procedure, and it hasn't happened to me since.
It may be that if you only have two receivers you're a less visible target -- certainly someone with four receivers is in the top few % of their business and anyone trying to get away with having receivers in multiple houses is likely to have four or more receivers, so we were an obvious target --
My comment was directed: that yes, the provider of digital satellite would dicuss various units with the customers. HallerB's comment (cut out) was not bullshit
-- Oren
"Well, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it happens, it happens constantly."
It appears he's talking about his experience with Dish Network while I am referring to mine with DirecTV.
I have DirecTV, and have never had that. They did ask for a card number, but that I had called them about a problem.
I wouldn't feel right about providing information to an unknown company either. Them shutting down my receivers would be a reason to leave that provider.
both providers have audited customers over the years at various times,
at times both providers have tried to tighten the phone line conection rule and new technology will end account stacking.
all receivers on a account will talk to one another over the LNB satellite lines, no communication no service, on this only one receiver will need plugged into a phone line, and they can all call in on one connection
I have been interested in satellite tv for over 10 years for more discussion
They both suck
You need to realize cable is way better today thanks to satellite competition.
I waited 3 years for TVLAND on TCI cable then switched to dish and havent looked back.
Dish has nice DVRs that have changed the way we look at tv forever. what few rain fades we get in only blinding thunderstorms is way less than cable outages from power failures and car accidents taking down lines, heck we had some bad channels for MONTHS only in extreme cold of nite. cable refused tio send out a tech unless it was a major outage, it would of been overtime. yet the trouble went on for months and right after we cancelled they finally found and replaced a bad neighborhood amplifier, that was cold sensitive.
so why do you think satellite sucks? you work for a cable company?
Any more than your cable?
I have had Dish and Direct TV and was happy with both. The big drawback in using either service is that you have to have a tuner box in every room
I changed to Charter when broadband became available in our area (I was one of the first customers) I have 3 sets and am glad I have no tuners to rent. Tuners suck
One interesting thing I have noticed is that with cable I get my signal about 2 seconds sooner than my sister. She lives in an area where Satellite is all she can get.
the slight time delay reflects the speed of light from station to uplink then compressing and scrambling them along with your receiver descrambling and de compressing them.
dish offers 2 receiver boxes which help cut the cost of extra boxes
Study _emulation_ history.
The ability to read the card micro-processor and load into four megs a RAM on x386 processor - booted from floppy. Satellites cannot edit the emulator RAM (Random Access Memory).
That hacker was Rupert's first victim!
-- Oren
"Painting is the art of protecting flat surfaces from the weather and exposing them to the critics."
them to the critics."
I am NOT into theft, signal or otherwise.
I wouldnt walk out of a store without paying for the merchandise, and wouldnt steal service either
Although one of those does require RF remote control, which interferes with connecting it to a stand-alone DVR.
I did not suggest that, but only a study of your interest _in satellite tv_ .
-- Oren
Why is there only one Monopolies Commission ?
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